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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by LadyEagle, Jun 21, 2008.
This is a poll about the divorce threads in this Forum.
I doubt if they have been helpful though, because of the "tone" used in the debate.
The divorce threads in this forum are pathetic. Scripture has been taken out of context and harsh and uncalled-for judgements have been made. Not only do some have logs in their eyes, they have whole trees in their eyes.
A total lack of compassion has been shown toward the innocent parties.
Very soon to be coming to this thread...DHK v. anybody who believes Jesus knew what he was talking about when he said "...except it be...."; more messages of "If your spouse like to play around-- tough luck-- I'm just glad that I am not as other men"; and clear hints that you can murder your spouse and marry another, but you can't divorce him or her and marry another.
Since these are debate forums, I think posters have done an excellent job of debating the pro's/con's of divorce. Perhaps the tone/language of some could be tempered with, what, perhaps tact? But, the very nature of these forums attract individuals who are intelligent people who think in black and white, no shades of gray. Age notwithstanding, I think Bro. Shane has defended his position very well. Kudos to all!:godisgood:
No matter how "right" you may be, without love you're just making noise.
1Cr 13:1 THOUGH I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
I didn't realize divorce was the unforgivable sin until I read some of the posts. I thought rejecting Christ was the only unforgivable sin.
Me, too. :tear:
Harsh: The Description of most Posters on divorce
Even my post was slammed. I could do nothing, and prayer led me to the land of "unanswered words". I know that no one is perfect in the marriage and the divorce. However, my wife left me, and wanted out of the marriage because I refused to leave the ministry.
I made a choice for God, lost the wife and kids, and gained scorn from my denominational leaders [the removed my license, which ended my ordination hopes], and left me without a ministry, something I studied hard to gain.
I was extremely bitter toward God and man for years. I have resolved these issues, but, I still receive harsh judgment from many in the ministry. They won't take into account that I just celebrated my 28th year with the same person, showing me that God not only forgave me...but, He set my feet back on solid and holy ground. What ever man tears down, God DOES fix and restore. PTLFHUL [Praise the Lord For His Unconditional Love].
So, I say to those with closed minds and hearts, God also judges those who walk around with a Redwood tree in their eye.
Pastor Paul :type:
Just an aside to the debate and a quote from the apostles after hearing the Lord's comments on the subject "If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry."
And yes, I will start another thread on the subject :thumbs:
You'll have to document your accusation. Who said divorce was the unforgivable sin ? Not DHK, not myself, not anyone who has expressed his contrariness to divorce.
Sorry, but the Apostle you quoted above once confronted another Apostle to his face about an error the other apostle has made.
Also the same apostle wrote to the Philippians that love must be bounded with knowledge (Philippians 1:9).
Love for love's sake is not love.
I'm not divorsed and would like to keep it that way. As far as the bible it seems pretty obvious that it is not the preferable option. God permits under certain circumstances such as adultery. The question that gets a lot of people is if once divorsed do you stay that way. Never remarrying. I kind of think that this is so. The problem comes from the begining of marriage and the American culture. Some people should not get married to each other. Some people who are abusive should never marry and christians need to do a better job of marrying the right person. I was never a big fan of the whole dating culture. But if you make your bed. Lie in it. questions like "what about my happiness are irrelevant. Unfortunately, I'm happily married and have not suffered what other people have so I'm no good at relating. I think for me I waited to get married until I was in my 30's. A lot of people get married in their early 20's and aren't ready for it. The choices I find that I'm not sure I agree entirely with any of them. And God is merciful.
Brother Pinoy, I don't see your point. Even though Paul rebuked Peter (I guess that's the instance you're referring to) I'm sure he did it in love and not arrogantly or condemningly, although I'm sure he was quite firm.
As to your second point, if we have knowledge (the Godly kind) and discernment, we will also use it in a loving and compassionate way.
Like I said, even if you're right (and no one is ALL the time) if you are arrogant and self-righteous, it doesn't matter what you say, you are only making noise, because no one is going to listen.
People need to hear scripture, but some find scripture itself offensive, saying it failed them and they aren't following it any longer. The word of God is a two edged sword, and a two edged sword hurts, but God's word is God's word, if a person loves Jesus and truests Him they will follow God's words, even if it does hurt.
My point is that the Apostle you quoted and seemed to imply to be tolerant of error does not himself tolerate error, without regard to who he spoke to, or rebuked.
Yes. But the compassion and love has to be bounded by the knowledge we have. If it goes beyond what is known to be the Scriptural way, or what one believes to be the Scriptural way, then love must give way to principle. God loved His people, but He didn't just say, "okay, let's call my problem with you quits. anyway, you're flesh and are bound to be victims of your circumstances. He laid the law that sin must be atoned for by blood, so He Himself went up on that cross. The point is, His love was bounded by what He knew to be right, and if God does things that way, who are we to say we are more compassionate than God, or that our brethren are arrogant because they refuse to back down on what they feel Scripture is saying ?
Reminds me of one brother who thought a brother was lying, and said: you're a liar, brother.
The point I'm trying to make is that we can speak the truth, rebuke, make our point, debate, ect.. without being arrogant and self-righteous.
When we resort to arrogance, we are not following Christian teachings of love and we should keep our mouths shut. This includes me as well. :saint: