Popular theological misconceptions on this board

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  1. evangelist6589

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    number 1

    Ray Comfort designed the principle to use the LAW in evangelism.

    This is false. Other than what the Bible teaches many before Comfort held to the principle two of which are Metzger and Reisinger whom published books before 1989 when Comfort came out with Hells Best Kept Secret.

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    John MacArthur created Lordship Salvation

    This is false. Other than the Bible there are many Calvinists that taught what the Bible teaches on the subject long before 1988. Reading a 1983 book by Reisinger LS is in the pages no doubt and I am sure John C would agree that Metzger also holds to LS and the Tell the Truth book came out in the 70's.

    So people please get your facts straight before you attack something you do not understand.
     
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    I think the LS debate really hit in the 80's. But you're right that Metzger seems to stress the Lordship of Christ in salvation. Then again, the concept predates Metzger a couple of thousand years as this is what the Bible teaches as well. :smilewinkgrin:

    But I don't think those are "popular misconceptions." Perhaps some link those theological issues to pastors to whom you show a fondness (and MacArthur was one of the more outspoken on LS at one time), but I don't think anyone really believes MacArthur created LS or Comfort the notion of using the Mosaic Law to evangelize.
     
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    Another popular misconception....it makes a difference. Both approaches are flawed, worthy of criticism.
     
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    Who or who did not "create" them is not a theological perception. It is just a perception.
     
  5. JamesL

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    I'm not sure that anybody thinks MacArthur or Comfort invented those positions. Do you have any straight facts (quotes) for that?
     
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    Check recent posts of yours. Perhaps you said what you said in error.
     
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    I cannot say that I have the impression that people here generally think this. The overemphasis on Ray Comfort and "WOTM", however...
     
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    Ok. Here's the quote in question, I'm pretty sure

    "Mac's perverted Lordship doctrine" doesn't mean he invented it, but that he teaches it. As I also mentioned later in that thread, his perverted Lordship doctrine is nothing but an honest outworking of Reformed doctrine found in the Westminster Confession and others.

    You being drunk with the Kool-Aid Mac is serving means you've fallen headlong after his perverted works-based introspection doctrine.

    Where did I say anything about him inventing it?


    But, I would greatly appreciate if you'd stop dodging the thrust of that post. You really agree with the ins and outs of Arminian doctrine, but you hate the idea that they teach you can lose your salvation. You want a certain salvation

    So you've tried to bend your mind to Calvinist doctrine because there is an emphatic promise that once you're saved it can't be lost.

    But you still don't have any assurance that you're actually saved, because Mac has duped you into believing that your works are the proof of your faith. So, just like the Arminian who's in the mirror, you're looking at your works and you realize they just don't muster up.

    So, instead of focusing on your works and becoming terrified, you cling to the idea of election. But you're not altogether convinced of it, or else you wouldn't be teetering on the issue of free will.

    So you keep regurgitating your bit about elect and non-elect, hoping to one day convince yourself. Then you ask people how to fit this into free will so you can try to make the two ideas come together. Here's news, John. Those two doctrines are completely incompatible.

    You aren't going to make them come together with scripture, because both of them are dead wrong.

    Will you answer the substance of what I'm writing, instead of some small nuance you can deflect to?


    I'm telling you as a friend, man. I care about you, and have been in your corner from the first day I came here.
     
  9. evangelist6589

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    I by no means doubt my salvation and fruit do show that one is saved, however those on their death bed or on a falling airplane would be another mater. Jesus himself spoke so much on fruit and many verses speak about the fruit of repentance. Off the top of my head I can think of a few.

    2 Cor 5:17
    Gal 5:22ff

    Since you gave away your book to someone that does not post here anymore I would strongly suggest you purchase a used copy and read it again because you may have missed the point. Lordship does not teach that works save anyone, nor does it teach that those truly saved will never sin or fall into sins. Okay I will make you a deal. Since you have sent me books (which I appreciated) I will purchase a book or two for you. I think Mac does a better job explaining himself in his book Faith Works or the Gospel According to the Apostles. Provide me your mailing address unless I can find it in my old emails, and I will mail you a book. Deal?
     
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    Okay Okay

    I may have made an error. But it sure looked like people were attributing the creation of both LS and the use of the Law in evangelism to the Calvinists in the OP.
     
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    They are the most prominenet expounders of those views though in the Church!

    Still see us commanded to preach the Cross and Grace though, and not the Law

    And the spin placed on LS theology recently was not seen by learned prior people, especially in baptist circles!
     
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    LS is filled with grace.
     
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    Yes, but the message that seems to be the core is that unless we really have Him Lord over all areas, then he is Lord over no areas, and salvation in doubt!
     

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