Port workers against the war

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  1. LeBuick

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    Port workes put their money where their hearts are and gave up dollars in protest against the war. If this trend continues McCain may have to weaken his stance in order to be elected.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0144367220080502

     
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    The longshoremen's union was just celebrating May Day, the international Marxist/Socialist/Labor holiday.
     
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    Two birds with one stone!
     
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    Have you ever known any longshoreman? You would be risking life and limb if you called the ones I've met socialist or Communist.
     
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    On the news (NBC) this morning, it was said they were "protesting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."


    Say what??

    Iraq....there's been debate there. But who on earth could question our going into Afghanistan? Either the news report got it wrong, or these are mighty uneducated folks, on part of their protests...
     
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    When you are more worried about wealth redistribution than you are safety then this is what you get. They hide their head in the sand on safety to acomplish a socialist agenda.
     
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    True, but I read somewhere that al-Qa'ida has re-established their footing and is larger and more capable than their pre 9/11 organization. This is particularly in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestien. I also saw where attacks and deaths credited to terrorism have also surpassed their pre 9/11 numbers. I will have to find those articles and post the link.

    Here is a guy with an interesting view of the numbers;

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23619671-5015664,00.html

     
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    Where did you read this other than somewhere?
     
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    Didn't the mafia successfully run our ports for about 100 years ? Didn't have much of this stuff back then....
     
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    It seems to me that you almost intentionally put forward positions that are at direct variance with the Kingdom message.

    Consider these texts:

    Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and (U)sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have (V)treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

    Am I the only who sees the connection to "wealth distribution"?


    13Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

    This text certainly suggests that "safety" is not the highest of considerations for the obedient Christian.
     
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    Pretty darn near.
     
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    Let me get this straight, you do not see how the following statement from Jesus is not a mandate for some form of wealth distribution?

    Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and (U)sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have (V)treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

     
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    What was the context of that passage?
     
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    The rich young ruler asks what he must do to inherit eternal life.
     
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    Thats right. Context is king.
     
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    Oh goody. I love this line of reasoning.

    Are you suggesting that because Jesus is talking to a specific individual that we cannot generalize a principle?

    Well, take that road if you want to. I'm game.
     
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    No. Whether Jesus was speaking to an individual or a groups of people is not relevent. You need to be careful in reaching for application. Otherwise one could pull form this passage that selling all that you have is required for salvation.

    Scripture doesnt say why, with this particular indiviual, Jesus told him to sell averything he had and give it to the poor. This is the only instance in which He does this in scripture. Because it is the only time it becomes hard to use this as a mandate for government wealth redistribution. But the bigger problem that arises when one tries to impose socialism on this passage is the overall context, which is salvation. To impose socialism on of this passage socialism would also have to be tied to salvation.
     
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    44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
    45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
    46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
    47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

    Acts 2:44-47 KJV
     
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    Christian Communism is a form of religious communism centered around Christianity. It is a theological and political theory based upon the view that the teachings of Jesus Christ compel Christians to support communism as the ideal social system. Although there is no universal agreement on the exact date when Christian communism was founded, many Christian communists assert that evidence from the Bible suggests that the first Christians, including the Apostles, created their own small communist society in the years following Jesus' death and resurrection. As such, many advocates of Christian communism argue that it was taught by Jesus and practiced by the Apostles themselves.

    Christian communism can be seen as a radical form of Christian socialism. Also, due to the fact that many Christian communists have formed independent stateless communes in the past, there is also a link between Christian communism and Christian anarchism. Christian communists may or may not agree with various parts of Marxism. They certainly do not agree with the atheist views of most Marxists, but they do agree with some of the economic aspects of Marxist theory, such as the idea that capitalism exploits the working class by extracting surplus value from the workers in the form of profits. Christian communists also share some of the political goals of Marxists, for example replacing capitalism with socialism, which should in turn be followed by communism at a later point in the future. However, Christian communists sometimes disagree with Marxists (and particularly with Leninists) on the way a socialist or communist society should be organized. In general, Christian communism evolved independently of Marxism, and most Christian communists share the conclusions but not the underlying premises of Marxist communists.

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  20. LeBuick

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    It's all over the web. Start here...

    http://www.voanews.com/specialenglish/2008-05-02-voa1.cfm

    It seems the cause we're fighting for is actually getting worse and not better.

    So what are we doing there? Do we really believe we can make things better? Isn't this like changing a person from doing what he knows as natural living and using the method of his understanding to get him to change? It's like stopping a child from playing by playing with them...

    What exactly is a war on terrorism? How will we know when we've won, when there's a lull in attacks or maybe when Bin Laden signs a peace treaty? When is enough, enough?
     

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