Practically Speaking, Which is the Lesser of Two Evils?

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  1. KenH

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    Since most people ignore minor party options I want to use the two party paradigm for this thread.

    Which, from a limited government perspective, is the lesser of two evils - Senator Obama or Senator McCain? I make the following observations.

    1) If Senator Obama is elected president, then the conservative Republicans in the Congress(especially in the House) will fight his agenda tooth and nail and stop the much of it from being enacted just as they did the Bill Clinton agenda in 1993-94.

    2) If Senator McCain is elected president, then the conservative Republicans in the Congress(especially in the Senate) will go along with much of his agenda just as they have with the liberal policies of the current President Bush because he is "our guy".

    3) Therefore, I submit that, overall, more liberal policies will be enacted during a John McCain presidency than during a Barack Obama presidency.
     
  2. poncho

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    I only see two globalists vying for power Ken. So bascially I guess you're asking which is better to lose by a little or alot? I'd rather not lose at all but from the looks of it most Americans will readily accept defeat and call it victory so long as "their guy" wins. :wavey:
     
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    Run that one by me again??

    Are we about to face the choice of the lesser of evils, or is it the evil of lessers? :confused:

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    OK... let's look at your scenario...

    McCain, Republican Congress.... McCain's liberal agenda pushed through...
    McCain, Democrat Congress.... McCain's liberal agenda pushed through

    Obama, Democrat Congres... Obama's liberal agenda pushed through
    Obama, Republican Congress.... Nothing happens from DC...

    (which would be the best thing DC has ever done!!! NOTHING....)
    Actually, I heard a local delegate's political ad on the radio a couple months ago, and that is what he is claiming he will do if elected...NOTHING!
    His reasoning is, too many politicians are messing up the government... it would be safer to vote for a person that just went and did nothing...


    Ken you have a point.... a very good point.

    So, looking at the above scenario, we need to make sure the democrats do not control congress... because if they do, it will be a 100% chance that this country will be controlled by the liberals....

    OTOH, if the Republicans control congress.. we have a 50% chance.


    So, another question we need to look at is this:
    Since there is a greater chance that America will follow a liberal path,
    Which type of liberal path would you rather follow?

    McCain's or Obama's...

    Personally, I can't wait until Christ come's back....
    I'll take the straight and narrow!
     
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  5. KenH

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    At least with a President Obama the Republican conservatives(especially in the House) will fight to stop him. With a President McCain the Republican conservatives(especially in the Senate) will just roll over for him pretty much.

    The Republican Party has a major identity crisis and I don't think that it can be resolved between now and November 4, 2008. It may take some time out in the political wilderness for it to come to its senses - if that is still possible. It is possible that so many Republicans have made their peace with Big Government(especially because of the war with al Qaeda) that the conservativism of people like Ronald Reagan cannot make a comeback in the Republican Party.
     
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    Why should you vote for any Evil, more or less. ??
     
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    Well, Ken, as you know the lesser of two evils is still evil. :laugh:
     
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    Which is why conservatives will sit this one out in Nov.

    It was a few yrs ago that James Dobson warned the GOP to not mess us over, or we will simply stay home....
    I haven't listened to Dobson for about 5 yrs now.. so I don't know what he is saying...

    But there is a side of me that hopes the Dems win in Nov.. just to show the GOP that they can't take us conservative evangelicals for granted....

    Selfish? You bet.

    But if it wasn't for the evangelical vote in 04, Dems would have been in control now...

    *message to GOP party... don't mess with us conservatives... you will be defeated.
     
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    There are more options here.

    Obama wins:
    - Dems get a veto proof majority in one or both houses. Left-leaning legislation tends to be the norm. Liberty loses.
    - Dems make gains. See above, but slightly less so.
    - Margin stays the same. Even less so.
    - GOP makes gains. Well, go buy a lottery ticket, because pigs will fly

    McCain wins, and:
    - Dems get a veto sustaining majority. Nothing gets done. Nothing. Hmmm...interesting :) Actually, McCain may have to moderate more. One of the two.
    - Dems make small gains. McCain may have to be more "moderate"
    - No change: McCain can push through some of his agenda since there is no veto-sustaining majority.
    - GOP makes gains. See lottery and pig reference above :)

    I still do not believe that a vote for Obama or McCain must be a de facto vote for a lesser of two evils. Some may feel that one of these may be the best choice available.
     
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    ==I don't know, but there is a way to find out. Lick your pointer finger, put it in the air, and see which way the wind is blowing. That will be the way Dobson is heading. Trust me on this. :laugh:

    As a Bible believing conservative Christian I am not going to sit this one out in November. I am voting for Chuck Baldwin (C) or Bob Barr (L). It will depend upon who is on the ballet here in the fall. I will continue voting this way until the Republican Party nominates a Ron Paul-ish candidate. A limited federal government is what men like Jefferson wanted and, I believe, they had a great idea.

    ==I hope the democrats win as well. Maybe then the American people will see that the Republicans and Democrats are just two sides of the same dirty coin. Hopefully they will see that its not time to change sides, its time to change coins.
     
  11. KenH

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    Americans should have figured that out when we had a Republican president and a Republican Congress.
     
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    We are not faced with the lesser of two evils, but the evil of two lessers.
     
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    I was asked in a phone survey which one I would vote for...Obama or McCain. I told them if it came to only those two choices I wouldn't vote for either, but that there are always other choices and if not, there's that blessed blank spot to write in your choice.

    Right now I'm disgusted with most everything in politics. I joined the Republican party a number of years ago. However, I voted neither Dem or Rep in the last election.

    However, I still considered myself a basic Republican.

    This year I am doing some writing and got thrown into focusing on politics, and will have to go back to it when things kick up again. (if the company I'm writing for is still in business, grrr) That has given me a different view because I've seen it from behind. Sat in some of the private meetings and such.

    I'm pretty much thoroughly disgusted with both. Where's God in all this? Not a mention at all in any of the meetings. In fact, it seems that behind the scenes, there's no difference at all when it comes to how things are handled. The majority of politicians are handling whatever their cause is the exact same way.

    Through mocking the opposition and by using what I consider dishonest tactics to support their own causes.

    I don't give a rip what the causes are. Whether they're good and bad, there's the wrong way to achieve it or the God way. From what I've seen, the wrong way is chosen 99.9% of the time.

    Lesser of two evils? Evil is evil. Neither is lesser, so I choose to vote for the candidate that most accurately follows the concept of a person who will rule in the fear of God. That's my one and only way of looking at this. This is very refreshing, as it means I don't have to wade through all the muck the majority throws out.

    Give it a whirl! :thumbs:
     

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