Premillennialism, Amillennialism, and Post-?

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  1. DeclareHim

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    Recently as I think everyone feels the earth is nearing it's end I have seen much debate about the Return of Christ and the three positions above. I'm Covenantist not Dispensationalist but I do believe in the Premillennial position. Following men such as Spurgon and my Pastor [​IMG] . I was wondering being rather new to this area of debate would those that hold these positions state your reason and Scripture why. I was going to post in the Baptist area's but figured everyone was Premillennialist. Thanks!
     
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    I am Baptist and amillennial. On this Forum that is sort of like being the clod in the churn.

    The historic Baptist position has generally been amillennial as shown in the book Baptist Confessions of Faith by Lumpkin. I also question whether Spurgeon was premillennial. He certainly was not dispensational.

    Though many on this Forum dispute the teaching of the general resurrection and judgment as taught in John 5:28, 29, they simply are practicing eisegesis to bolster their preconceived false doctrine of dispensationalism.

    John 5:28, 29
    28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
    29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
     
  3. Jim1999

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    Hi, I was a Baptist minister with four different Baptist organizations, in Canada and the UK, and I have been amillennial since 1948.

    Mr. Spurgeon did hold to the historic premillennial viewpoint, as did many of my colleagues, but a goodly number of Fellowship Baptist pastors were amillennial.

    As far as stating our doctrines in here, it is next to impossible. I would recommend a book published by InterVarsity Press, The Meaning of the Millennium, Edited by Robert G. Clouse. It covers all four viewpoints, written by able representatives of all the views. It was published in 1977, but I should imagine is still available on InterVarsity's website.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Amillennial here, I have the book mentioned by Jim and would add a second to his recommendation.
     
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    Amillennial here, as it makes the most sense, particularly when studying the prooftexts of the premillenialists.

    I personally liked the "End Times Delusion" by Steve Wohlberg.
     
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    I'm amillennial.
     
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    Amillenial.

    The book by Clouse is a great read, if one is willing to remove to read it carefully.
     
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    Baptist- Historic Premillennialism
     
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    Amillenial. Thanks for the book suggestion.
     
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    What does that make this full-preterist Baptist? Besides a heretic. ;)
     
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    I lean toward amillenial as well. Its the only one that makes sense on its own, that doesnt have scritpure contradicting itself.
     
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    I'm an amillenialist.
     
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    I am really surprised to see so many amils. [​IMG]
     
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    I'm historic pre-mil, but the a-mil view is one I could embrace. Used to be dispy (pre-trib) until my pastor asked me to find a clear, unequivocal scripture verse that could not be interpreted any other way but pre-trib. Searched for days, couldn't find it. I have a-mil friends who make a pretty good case. I'm just not there yet.
     
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    thats kinda what I mean when I say I lean toward amil. I have traveled the spectrum as well. Grew up on dispy. Camped out as a historic premil for a while and now can really see the validity in the amil position. Man its a journey though. Rocked my world.
     
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    No Postmillennialist? Has this position waned?
     
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    I'd say so, partially because of the following:

    World War 1, World War 2.
     
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    DeclareHim: //I was going to post in the Baptist area's
    but figured everyone was Premillennialist.//

    Tee Hee. You get five Baptists together and there are
    six different eschatologies they will express.
    Baptists are just as divided on eschatology as are any
    mixed group of Christians.

    However, Baptists do say you aught to 'work out your own
    salvation with fear and trembling' - that you aught to
    figure out your own Biblical eschatology by studying the
    Holy Bible with the best teacher of all: The Holy Spirit
    within you.

    OldRegular:
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    John 5:28, 29
    28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming,
    in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
    29. And shall come forth; they that have done good,
    unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil,
    unto the resurrection of damnation.
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    Request you follow the lead of other BB Bible quoters and share
    the version you use with the rest of us. You have the version right
    in front of you, the Breran readers may have to check a dozen
    versions before striking you the one you use. Thank you

    I'm awefully tempted to think you would quote from the following
    versin which caters to your whims:

    John 5:28-29 (a-mill Bible):
    28. Marvel not at this: for the ONE AND ONLY UNIQUE, 60-MINUTE
    hour is coming,
    in the which all that are CURRENTLY OR EVER HAVE BEEN
    OR EVER WILL BE in the graves shall hear his voice
    AT THE SAME EXACT MOMENT,
    29. And shall come forth ALL AT ONCE; they that have done good,
    unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil,
    unto the resurrection of damnation.


    In fact, other scriptures shows that at least 1,000 physical,
    literal years exist between the last resurrection of the
    just and the first resurrection of the unjust (Revelation 20).
    But i guess if one wants to hammer on this poor scripture till
    it nearly breaks to 'fit' their doctrine, i suppose it could be
    done.

    For the rest who don't see my humor. I have NOT proved there
    is a pretribulation rapture here, only that this verse cannot
    and should not be FORCED to have all the just and the unjust
    resurrected at in the same 60-minute hour. The Plain and Clear
    teaching of the Bible is some day (not necessarily the same
    60-minute-hour 'day') all will be resurrected and judged by their
    works.
     
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    Yes they say that, but they never do it, else they would no longer be Baptists. I've never encountered a more fractured religious movement in my life.
     
  20. Jim1999

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    If I read correctly, this is not about Baptists. It happens to be Other Christian Denominations.

    The starter of the forum was asking about the three common viewpoints...period. That question has been ably answered in the first few posts.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     

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