President Bush Calls for Prayerful Thanksgiving

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  1. Cindy

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    BUSH CALLS FOR PRAYERFUL THANKSGIVING
    (White House-AP) -- President Bush departs Washington today
    to spend Thanksgiving with his family at their Texas ranch.
    In a presidential proclamation, Bush says he and the
    American people "thank God for the blessings of freedom and
    prosperity." The president says it's a day "to share the spirit
    of understanding and unity, and of prayer, as we express our
    thanks for the many blessings we enjoy."
    At a Rose Garden ceremony yesterday, Bush said that "in
    this nation of many faiths, we ask that the almighty God continue
    to bless us and to watch over us." And he said Americans pray
    that oppressed people abroad will also someday live at peace in a
    free society.
     
  2. Pennsylvania Jim

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    How sad. We used to honor Jesus Christ, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

    Now we have a President who celebrates Ramadan as well as Thanksgiving, and sees us as a "nation of many faiths".

    I fear for our nation if we don't soon rid ourselves of politicians like Bush.
     
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    PA Jim, I agree. As a professing Christian, President Bush needs to start listening to the Holy Spirit instead of his advisers, like Carl Rove & Colin Powell.

    If God wasn't happy sharing Israel's heart with Baal and Molech, don't imagine He's real happy sharing the glory with the moon god, Allah, either. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me," hasn't been revoked. :(
     
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    We've always been a nation of many faiths.

    Roman Catholics have been here since pretty much the beginning. So have Anglicans.

    The Dutch Reformed Church is the oldest Protestant Denomination with a continuing line (founded 1628).

    George Washington was the first President to write to a synagogue. The letter discussed his hope for religious harmony to be one of the most fundamental tenets of American democracy (1790).

    Thomas Jefferson was the fist President to appoint a Jew to a Federal post(1801).

    Muslims have been a significant portion of the US population since 1875.

    Buddhists have been in the US since at least the mid 1800's.
     
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    ...don't imagine [God is] real happy sharing the glory with the moon god, Allah, either
    You still continue to spread this fallacy even though it has been successfully dispelled in another thread.
     
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    Hmmm...can't seem to find that particular thread. But can find plenty of threads on here where Islam has been shown to be the false religion from hell that it is.

    And a quick search of the Internet brings this up:
    Why would someone posting on this board as a Christian and Baptist constantly defend the false religion of Islam which is diametrically opposed to the Bible?

    No matter how much you defend it, that does not change the fact that Islam is a false religion.
     
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    President Bush is the head of a civil government in a pluralistic culture - where most of the citizens aren't even active participants in a faith community. No matter how you interpret the First Amendment, the President endorsing a particular faith would be a violation of it.

    Joshua
     
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    Here we go again.... the word "Allah" is Arabic for God. Ask any Arabic Christian or Jew. Loon in an Arabic Bible.

    No one is disputing whether or not Islam is a "false" religion. What is disputed is your claim for the meaning of the word "Allah".
     
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    Well, what does a former Muslim, now born-again Christian, have to say about this?

    So, I'll take the expert's word for it. He oughta know. (roll eyes emoticon deleted on purpose, trying to be kind)
     
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    Absolute nonsense.
     
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    Johnv,

    This has been resolved over and over again on the BB. You are technically correct that "Allah" is the Arabic name for "God". As such it can refer to different gods*** attack removed***, as opposed to the God worshipped by Christians who is the Eternal Almighty Triune God, who came to earth incarnate in the person of Jesus Christ.

    But, that is a diversion. Why can't you take posts (like She Eagle's) at face value for what they are trying to say, rather than picking an argument over some technicality that has nothing to do with the point being made?

    [ December 02, 2002, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: C.S. Murphy ]
     
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    Why can't you take posts (like She Eagle's) at face value for what they are trying to say, rather than picking an argument over some technicality that has nothing to do with the point being made?
    Saying that the God of Islam is not the same as the God is Christianity is one thing. Saying that the God of Islam is a moon god is another. Are we biblically allowed to foster *** attack removed***, even when the subject of such ***attack removed** is a non-Christian faith?

    [ December 02, 2002, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: C.S. Murphy ]
     
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    The fact that Ergun Caner uses the word "Jehovah" to refer to the Christian God leaves him to be suspect. The word is a bastardization of Jahweh and Adonai. Many Christians, not to mention Jews, find the term offensive. I am one of them.

    I could easily post information from learned Christians and Muslims alike refuting this, but that would simply serve to hijack the thread.

    Call Islam a false religion if you like, but do not think that gives you license to bear false witness about it.
     
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    I do believe someone has called another member a liar, to use a good Saxon word instead of a couple of French ones. Brother Murphy and I will not tolerate such usages.

    To the best of my knowledge, Satan as he developed counterfiet religons used the same cast of gods and goddesses but change their names depending on the language being locally spoken, e.g. Jove v. Zeus, Diana v. Artemis, Mecury v. Apollo, ect. In the Old Testemant, one can follow the different names of Baal through the ages recorded in its pages. The names changes but the rites of worship remained the same. Hence, it is not unrealistic to to posit that the pre-Mohammed usage of Allah refers to a moon god. Especially since, many here take as a presupposition that Genesis account the Tower of Babel records an actual, historical event. By doing so, we think it credible that those scattered by the confusion of languages took their commonly held religious concepts with them. Calling these deities by different names as noted above, but not reinventing them either from whole cloth. So far, I have not seen any evidence of a thread supporting a counter claim.

    In His service,
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    Hence, it is not unrealistic to to posit that the pre-Mohammed usage of Allah refers to a mood god.

    That is incorrect. Christians and Jews who spoke Arabic prior to Islam existing referred to God as Allah.

    Regardless, you'r saying "it is not unrealistic" to presume. However, SheEagle posted is as fact, not as a possibility. I, on the other hand, know for a fact that Allah is the word that was used by Christian and Jewish Arabs long before Mohammed or Islam were even though of.

    ***attack removed****
    However, I'm offended by the moderator who sent me a private message accusing me of defensing Islam. I have said on numerous occaisions, I'm not defending Islam. I'm attempting to clear up false views that we have of it.

    The moderators should be aware that there are many Baptists that don't feel Islam is a Satanis relogion. Are they to be barred from this board? The name is "Baptist" Board, not "Certain Kinds of Baptist" Board. I find nothing in Baptist beliefs that say that this view towards Islam is mandatory to be a Baptist.

    Unfortunately, it is not enough for me to agree that Islam is a false religion. I'm only allowed to believe that Islam is so bad that it's not allowed to be discussed in an intelligent manner on this board.

    [ December 02, 2002, 12:27 PM: Message edited by: C.S. Murphy ]
     
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    I believe we are dealing with the pagan use of the name, not the Judeo-Christian usage. Mayhap the sentence could be better phrased as following:
     
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    Now that makes more sense. Off the top of my head, I believe the pagan moon god was named belal, not allah, but I'd have to find my notes. There were some postings that went into greater detail on that subject. In some pagan regions or Arabia, the moon god was belal, in others wadd, and in some cases it was a female deity, but none of these were referred to as the one God.

    Probably not a good idea to post much more on the subject here, since it hijacks the thread from the original topic.
     
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    Please explain how you feel any other view of islam is compatible with Christianity.

    Better left for another thread, methinks. Besides, I'm not saying I disagree with you. Clearly, my view is that Christ is the sole source of salvation. However, that does not give us licence to foster inaccuracies about other faiths. Attacking Islam is certainly the current fashipn among Christians these days, for understandable reasons. However, I don't believe that attitude is one that Christ would approve of.
     

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