President Lincoln 'Lied' Us Into War Too

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  1. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    The President "lied" us into war. Much of the pre-war intelligence was wrong. The civilian defense chief was detested as "brusque, domineering and unbearably unpleasant to work with." Civil liberties were abridged. And many embittered Democrats, claiming the war had been an utter failure, demanded that the administration bring the troops home.
    George Bush? Well, yes - but also a President who looms far larger in American history, Abraham Lincoln. One is struck by the parallels in reading Doris Kearns Goodwin's masterful new book, Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln...............






    No, Bush is no Lincoln. As Doris Kearns Goodwin makes clear, Lincoln was a rare combination of visionary - his rhetoric may be America's greatest poetry - and "political genius." Most, if not all, historians agree that a bloody Civil War was probably inevitable. Iraq bids fair to be the quagmire critics say it is, though its consequence is dwarfed by that of the American Civil War, which, as Goodwin points out, cost the equivalent of five million casualties in proportion to today's population.
    But the parallels suggest a degree of modesty among those inclined to see Bush - and his embattled Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld - as unmitigated disasters. As with Lincoln, much will depend on the outcome.



    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/04/president_lincoln_lied_us_into.html
     
  2. ASLANSPAL

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    Where is that tin foil hat poll when you need it?

    Where is that tin foil hat poll when you need it?


    This really reaching and soooooo far out of context ...I would love to see you do a double back flip Tim tim.

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  3. LadyEagle

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    Lincoln was wrong.
     
  4. JGrubbs

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    I posted the following on my blog back in 2004:
    President Bush is our Lincoln



    Dr. Ergun Mehmet Caner, professor of Theology and Church History at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia says "President Bush is our Lincoln". He says this as a complement to Bush, and I'm sure Bush and most Americans would see it as a complement as well.

    Those of us who choose to know the truth about both Bush and Lincoln, could also say, "President Bush is our Lincoln", but we don't mean it as a complement, but as a warning to the American people who care about their freedoms and limited government.

    Just like Lincoln cared nothing about the US Constitution and the rights of the people, Bush too has shown that he doesn't care about the US Constitution or about our Constitutional Republic. There may not be troops marching through the Southern States to take away your right to govern yourself, but there is no doubt in my mind that we are in the midst of a cultural and political "Civil War". What side will you fight for, the side of freedom and our God-given rights, or the side of federal growth, nation building and the destruction of limited government.

    Benjamin Franklin, when asked, what sort of government the delegates had created, replied "A republic, if you can keep it." The question we should be asking ourselves today is "Can we keep it?"

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    Lioncoln could have "believed" the Declaration of Independance but he knew that God was on the side with the most cannon.
     
  6. Terry_Herrington

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    Lincoln was right, and thus he is one of our greatest presidents. George W Bush is wrong and will be remembered as one of our worse presidents.
     
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    What should the North have done after the fighting started at Ft. Sumpter? Ignore the war? It's a bit different when someone invades you rather than the other way around as Bush did in Iraq.
     
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    But it was Lincoln who invaded the South!

    Lincoln needed an excuse to start his war of aggression, because Congress did not want war and would not declare war of its own volition. The most likely hot-spot in which Lincoln could start his war was Charleston Harbor, where shots had already been fired in anger under the Buchanan administration. But the newly-elected governor of South Carolina, Francis Pickens, saw the danger--that Lincoln might, as an excuse, send a force of U.S. Navy warships to Charleston Harbor supposedly to resupply Maj Anderson's Union force holed up in Fort Sumter. So Gov Pickens opened negotiations with Maj Anderson, and concluded a deal permitting Anderson to send boats safely to the market in Charleston once a week, where Anderson's men would be allowed to buy whatever victuals they wished. (This arrangement remained in effect until a day or so before the U.S. Navy warships arrived at Charleston). Maj Anderson wrote privately to friends, saying that he hoped Lincoln would not use Fort Sumter as the excuse to start a war, by sending the U.S. Navy to resupply it.

    Before his inauguration, Lincoln sent a secret message to Gen Winfield Scott, the U.S. general-in-chief, asking him to make preparations to relieve the Union forts in the South soon after Lincoln took office. Lincoln knew all along what he was going to do. President Jefferson Davis sent peace commissioners to Washington to negotiate a treaty with the Lincoln administration. Lincoln refused to meet with them; and he refused to permit Secretary of State Seward to meet with them. After Lincoln assumed the presidency, his principal generals recommended the immediate evacuation of Maj Anderson's men from Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor--which was now located on foreign soil. To resupply it by force at this point would be a deliberate act-of-war against the C.S.A.

    It turned out that Lincoln's postmaster general, Montgomery Blair, had a brother-in law, Gustavus V. Fox, who was a retired Navy-captain, and wanted to get back into action. Fox had come up with a plan for resupplying Fort Sumter which would force the Confederates to fire the first shots -- under circumstances which would force them to take the blame for the war.


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    I'm sorry all you Confederates, but the Union needed to be preserved at any cost, therefore I believe that Lincoln was a great president. That doesn't mean that I agree with everything he did, but I think the United States benefited from his service as president.
     
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    I thought that we here at the Baptist Board had it established for us that Lincoln was gay and was the first gay president?
     

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