Proverbs 31:6-7. Specific Command or general principle?

This whole discussion is what happens when we try to confuse and add to the simplicity of Scripture.

Don't give strong drink to kings, it dulls their senses.
Give strong drink to the sick and dying, it dulls their senses.

It is so, so simple, so practical, and so clear. Praise God for His clear and precise word.

 

YOu are 100% correct... so simple even the simple can understand... (not calling you simple though!!:laugh: :tonofbricks: )

 

Absolutely. Anyone who would disagree with faith in Christ would be an idiot.

I have several friends who are doctors. All of them have told me of instances where they saw a miracle as they operated on a person. One of them told of the time when he and his dad had operated on a lady and once they were done with the surgery she would not stop bleeding. They had tried for a long time to stop her bleeding with no success. So, he went into another room to pray. When he came back she had stopped bleeding. God used that to get his attention. He later became a Christian.

 

God never meant for us to be so callous and hard of heart in order to stand firm on his truth...

He told us to spread truth in love.

To say a dying person in pain doesn't have faith if they take pain killers is beyond senseless... it is inhuman, and shows the lack of love for people...

Matthew 22:36-39
(36) Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
(37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
(38) This is the first and great commandment.
(39) And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


It does no good to stand on truth, if you want to hurt people.

 

Quite honestly, gang, I pray every day for freedom from pain. I have spondyloisthesis, grade 3. It involves my vertebrae disintegrating over time. The pain can be a bit harsh. There are nights I can't sleep at all for the pain.

If it were not for pain medication, I would seldom get any rest. Now: having said that, I have personally set up an accountability situation so that I am not overdoing the pain meds. (I voluntarily allow a couple of trusted friends in the church to know my prescriptions).

Think what you will...but I have a feeling most folks in here would do exactly what I do.

My conscience is clear.

 

That makes a lot sense especially when you consider Hebrew poetry.

 

...and it is a hair away from christian science. SFIC, you jump on any sofas lately?

 

Thank you for sharing that rbell. I am sorry you have to deal with this, and will add your situation to my prayers (although I know you weren't asking).
I'm glad you said this because I was going to jump in with the issue of continuous pain--which my now-departed husband dealt with for over four years, following a head injury that affected his head, his neck, his back, and his hips. This, in addition to a finally-diagnosed degenerative bone disease and his myriad other health problems meant he was on a cocktail of meds daily--some dealing with specific health issues such as diabetes....others to help control his pain. And that is ALL the meds did--"control" the pain; they never STOPPED the pain--they merely made it manageable. But my husband's quality of life suffered terribly.

He would try to reduce his meds on occasion--wishing to be free of some of the daily "grind"--and always was forced back to the previous level of pain meds just to function. He hurt all the time, but seldom complained with the pain itself--but make no mistake--the pain medication was absolutely necessary for him to be able to function even at the very limited level he had been reduced to by the injury itself. The thought of WITHHOLDING that medication from him--well, all I can say is that ANYONE would have had to go THROUGH me to take it away from him. He hurt badly enough as it was--the thought of increasing that pain--why I would rather have cut off my own arm. REALLY.

To say that he was in pain--and continued thusly--because of a lack of faith on his part would be doing two things: 1) Questioning my husband's faith--which no one has the right to do, and 2) Denying the very REAL facts of his infirmity. God ALLOWED that to happen to him; He ALLOWED the pain--and I won't know this side of Heaven WHY.....but I also know that God provided him a way to DEAL WITH THE PAIN so that he could live his life out with his loved ones.

And, HIS conscience was ALSO "clear" on those meds, as he spoke the last words to me before he died--he knew he was "going home"....and there wasn't anyone standing there guarding "The Gates" to keep him out because he'd had to be medicated just to survive the rest of THIS life before he departed for eternity. And I KNOW that, because I've never known or seen such peace as that moment he told me goodbye, knowing he would probably never wake up again (and didn't).

 

I think the mods should close this thread and delete it before more people read this nutjob stuff he keeps posting. It just keeps spiraling deeper and deeper into idiotic territory.

 

I second that. It's already at 30 pages. It should be put into the archives and the key thrown away.

 

I'll drink to that!



OOPS.

 

Some final words of wisdom to tie the whole thread back together... This is what comes of interpreting proverbs as specific promises and not general truths. You end up having to twist Scripture into huge knots to remain "consistent".

 

Since it is at page 30, it will be closed soon... but I wouldn't want it deleted...

It reveals what is truly in people's hearts..

 

Is Christ = strong drink a damnable heresy like ME? ME has been banned...maybe this garbage should be too.

 

I wouldn't call it as strong a heresy as ME.. I see it more as a poetic interpretation... dangerous... but still poetic.

For instance I can hear the Southern Gospel song now...

"Well, I used to be a drunk
But after I got dunked
Jesus is now my strong drink...

I used to drink and fight
but now with my new life
Jesus is now my strong drink

OH he's better than the wine
that I poured down the sink
He came into my life
Now he is my strong drink

Yeah, he is my strong drink


He helps me stand up staight
since I went through the straight gate
Oh, Jesus is my strong drink

I'm on that narrow way
I'll fight alcohol every day
Because Jesus is my strong drink

OH he's better than the wine
that I poured down the sink
He came into my life
Now he is my strong drink

Yeah, he is my strong drink

BTW, if this gets published, I want credit!!!

 

Maybe so.

SFIC has been conspicuously absent from this thread lately and hasn't even attempted to answer the questions that have been asked.

I also want to comment on this from a few pages back.

Roger twisting words? Roger??? Ridiculous accusation. Everybody who's been here for a while knows that Roger doesn't twist words. SFIC owes Roger an apology for that accusation.

 

You are quite correct about this thread being 30 pages.
And it is time to close it down, which seems to be the consensus of many others. Thus shall it be.