Psalms 51:5

There's no specific verse in the Bible that says that Enoch will not die.

Q. Will Enoch be in Heaven?
A. Yes.

Q. Will he have his human body in Heaven?
A. No.

Therefore, I think we can safely say that Enoch either has died and has a glorified body, or he will die and will have a glorified body.

So you have no answer to the question about Elijah.

 

Here's the verse in Hebrews.

Since you're so much smarter than I am, please show me where it says Enoch was sinless.

What are you talking about? The more you post, the more nonsensical your posts become.

Oh please. Spare me your "righteous indignation".

You chastise others about their reading comprehension skills, but seem unable to understand what happened in 1 Kings 19.

 

Scriptures are not silent.
All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
There is none righteous no, not one.
These Scriptures include Elijah, and the only exception to them is Jesus Christ alone--He alone is sinless; He alone qualifies to be the sinless sacrifice for our sins. To suggest that there is another borders on blasphemy.

Despair or discouragement is a sin. And that in and of itself is a sin that is described in detail in the Bible. It can't be missed.

 

I assume we are all in agreement that when a child of God dies their soul and spirit enter heaven while their material body stays here on earth. Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. There is a necessity of a change in our bodies in order to enter into the prescence of God. Apparently what God did in translating Enoch was He took his soul and spirit into heaven without him having to die. I don't know what God did with his body at that time, but I do know that it will be raised again and changed into the likeness of Christ's body, just as ours will, when Jesus raises the righteous in glory.

 

Concerning Elijah, to try to say he was sinless is ridiculous. Now he was a better man than I'll ever be, but he was a sinner too. There's I Kings 19, where Elijah was complaining to God. Notice that after he complains the second time God tells him to go annoint Elisha to be prophet in his stead. In other words, you are replaced. Then there's James saying he was a man subject to like passions as we are.

 

In absence of any evidence brought forth by you that it doesn't teach original sin, it remains another timeless truth of David's repentance of his own confession of his sinfulness and even his sinful condition right from his conception onward.

 

HP, I love how you make all manner of inferences and implications and complain when you're called out on them. Ridiculous.

 

What evidence? I haven't seen any. If there is, I suppose you will have to repost it. That shouldn't be hard for you considering the paucity of it (zero).

 

That has already been commented on and refuted.
It is your evidence I want, not another's.

 

Death did pass on Elijah and Enoch. Both men would have died had not God intervened. As I have before stated, this is clearly stated when Hebrews said Enoch was translated that he should not see death. No flesh shall be justified by the works of the law, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. The only person to keep the law without spot was Jesus Christ, which is why he had to come. If righteousness comes by the law, Christ is dead in vain. If Enoch and Elijah could do it, then theoretically you and I could. Enoch and Elijah aren't up in heaven because of what they did, but because of what Jesus did.

 

The whole argument is based on the fact that David had "half-sisters. So what. Jesse could have married after his wife died. Then David would have had half sisters. It says nowhere that his brothers that were presented before Samuel were not his real brothers. That cannot be proved. It says nowhere that the wife of Jesse at that time was not David's mother. The article is all guess work based on a presupposition that original sin does not exist. There is no objectivity in it.

 

The introduction starts out with a biased presupposition which he is going to "prove" with biased evidence even if it is wrong.

He has already set forth a premise that is biased and cannot be proven because it is false.

 

They were somehow taken into heaven in a supernatural way. As to their physical bodies we don't know exactly what happened. The Scripture is silent. One thing we can be fairly certain of: They don't have their resurrection bodies yet. That is still a future event.

 

There will be children of God who won't die because Jesus Christ will return and change their bodies. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. That does not mean death has not passed upon them. God will intervene, not because they are righteous in themselves, but rather because it pleases Him.