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  1. Ulsterman

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    OK, I don't get it - what's the problem with using puppets to teach small children about gospel? I have heard a number of preachers over the years speak out against the use of puppets. I asked one why and he said it was to do with deceit, as the creatures are made to appear alive, and that we are to be honest in all our dealings. Elsewhere there is a discussion on "worldliness in the church", in which one poster expressed the opinion that a puppet ministry is indicative of worldliness. Rock music I can see, but why puppets?

    If you are against puppets - what's your reason? Do you have a genuine Biblical conviction, or is it a matter of preference? Is this a cultural issue in certain places? Am I right in assuming that if you do not use puppets you also do not show videos to children, nor read them any kind of picture book to explain the Bible?

    Help me to understand your position. Incidentally, we don't use puppets at our church, but not because of any particular opposition to the method.
     
  2. menageriekeeper

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    Well, my Sunday School teachers used flannel boards to teach us about the Bible. Didn't need no stinking decietful puppets or Veggie Tales to make things more enticing us kids. Don't folks know the Bible is supposed to be boring?

    :smilewinkgrin:

    Honestly, this is the same kind of arguement that I hear about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. I haven't yet bought into it cause I know from personal experience that children are well and capable of knowing the difference between what is real and what is not.

    How can a puppet be deciet when a child knows it is a puppet? :rolleyes: Some folks need more to worry about.
     
  3. Joshua Rhodes

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    Our puppet ministry is EXTREMELY active in the community and helps alot in VBS and TeamKID programs. Very effective and useful tools, because a puppet can "say" things a normal person can't and get away with it. They step on toes better... and have no feet.
     
  4. rbell

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    I laugh at pastors with that view...

    They have bought into gnosticism, and don't even know it.

    they need a life.
     
  5. Pete

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    If anyone has a problem with me I'll slap them about with my left-over soggy banana skins.

    Yours sincerely

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    Oh, and I better go now, I think Peter is home. Seeyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaa everyyyyyyyoooooooonnnnnnneeeeeee!!!!!!!!!
     
  6. Marcia

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    :laugh: :laugh:

    I never heard of Christian opposition to puppets! Good gravy! <imagine the confused icon here - I couldn't fit it in because the puppet image counted for 3 images in the post! See, now we know puppets are evil!>
     
  7. Pete

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    OOPS!! Charlie Chimp got out of his cage and on to the computer.....sorry about that. :smilewinkgrin:

    But yeah as Joshua said puppets can get away with a lot. When mum and self do a show it's usually my chimp character getting something from Bible MAJORLY wrong, then mum's character correcting him and using that as intro to the lesson for the day. Amazing how effective he is, with kids and most old codgers :)

    And Marcia the photo of CC was one image, and "his" signature was another (I forget the font name at the moment). So add your two laughing smilies and there is the limit. Confusion is understandable when The Chimp is on the loose though, even I can't handle him :D
     
  8. StefanM

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    Wow. I must be running in completely different circles. I've never heard of anyone opposed to puppet ministry.
     
  9. Plain Old Bill

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    Puppets,vetroloquists,felt,and pastel painting ministries,kids are captivated by them. I still remember dome of the stuff I saw as a kid and that was a loooonnng time ago.:thumbs:
     
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    I oppose the use of puppets in a worship service on biblical grounds. We are to worship God in reverence an awe. Puppets are irreverent by design. The primary method of presenting the Gospel is preaching (I Cor. 1:21). That is God's plan for salvation.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Puppets imply Calvinism!
     
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    What if the pastor is a puppet? Is that bad?

    I am trying to imagine someone rejecting Christ because he found out that puppets are not real. I just don't see it.
     
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    Puppets can't choose? How unfair!

    :mad:
     
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    I used to be part of a puppet ministry, and actually led it for a while - and I don't know what puppet shows you've seen - but ours preached the gospel!

    If you are going to argue against puppets because they're not mentioned or officially approved in the Bible - well - do you use a microphone to convey the message? What about tv, or radio? Those are all devices used to convey the gospel - just as puppets can be used to do.

    I will agree that I probably would not recommend that puppets be used in a typical baptist "worship service" - but that isn't because they are "irreverent by design" but because most congregations would not appreciate it.
     
  15. John of Japan

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    Har har! That preacher certainly has a low opinion of kids. My little skunk buddy, Stinky, has helped me minister to kids for many years and you know what? Even the little crumb grabbers are smart enough to know Stinky isn't alive when they see my hand disappear inside him. :tongue3:
     
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    Stinky? mmmmm

    Pastor John and his skunk -- I love it!
     
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    Your first mistake here is that the Bible never says a thing about the assembly of the church of Jesus Christ being a "worship services." This is a human term. We are to worship all the time, not just on Sunday! Therefore by your logic, puppets would never be acceptable!

    Your second mistake is that you think 1 Cor. 1:21 is talking about a sermon in the pulpit (correct me if I'm wrong). The word for "preaching" there is kerugma, occuring 8 times in the NT, always with emphasis on the message itself rather than the proclamation process (which is normally the verb kerusso).

    If the message, the kerugma, of the Gospel can be given through a puppet, 1 Cor. 1:21 does not prohibit that.
     
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    The problem is, the little rascal just doesn't listen to me!:laugh:

    I use him in SS, and little Soya loves him, especially when he is rude to the preacher--which then gives an opportunity to teach Stinky (and the kids) how to act in SS and church.
     
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    I agree, greek geek.:thumbs:

    And I don't use Stinky in the church service for that reason, not because I think the Bible prohibits it. I don't get the "irreverent by design" thing there. How do you design something that is irreverent? For that matter, how can an object be irreverent?
     
  20. Ulsterman

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    May I ask you about the use of humour in the pulpit? The preachers I know who oppose the use of puppets, period, have no problem with making a few light remarks or even telling the odd joke before a sermon. I have heard them do this. Now their argument is primarily one against any form of "entertainment" in the pulpit. They oppose the use of drama as well as any kind of popular/modern music. If you feel puppets are "irreverent" what about jokes? Do you feel every service ought to be a totally solemn occasion?

    Incidentally, I have never witnessed puppets being used in a worship service. Anytime I have seem them employed it was in the context of a Sunday School or Children's Meeting. Do you object to their use in that context?
     

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