On another thread a side discussion began about purgatory. DojoGrant stated: You confuse what the temporal punishment is. When your sins are forgiven, they are forgiven. Gone. Forgotten. God doesn't remember them in any more, if you wish to think of it that way. However, the person on earth that you killed (say, if the sin was murder) is still dead. The family is still grieving. His workplace perhaps is suffering the loss of him. Maybe he was a church deacon, and the church is suffering the loss. Perhaps his friends are in dispair. Our sin does not affect only us...it affects MANY. Furthermore, you can kill someone and receive forgiveness...but what happens if ten years later, you kill someone again? Did you not truely repent the first time? I'm sure you did, but sinful nature doesn't leave us because our sins are forgiven. We still have that earthly fixation. THAT is what is purged in purgatory. Could you please explain how this relates to the thief on the cross mentioned in Luke 23:40-43?