Question about Christion Rap or Regaeton ?

Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by TaliOrlando, Mar 12, 2008.

  1. TaliOrlando

    TaliOrlando
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2006
    Messages:
    697
    Likes Received:
    0
    Question about Christion Rap or Regaeton ?

    Your thoughts on this, many say its from the Devil himself and others say its a good tool to minister to today's youth and it also gives an alternative to other music.

    I ask this, because I like many at first said, "nope no way" however, it may be because I am used to one way of worship and at the same time I am sure that the way of worship that many use today were probably considered of the devil in the early 1900's. What are your thoughts on Holy Hip Hop and Christian Regaetton?
     
  2. SBCPreacher

    SBCPreacher
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    2,764
    Likes Received:
    0
    Can you hear it? It's the bell begging round one - let the fight begin!
     
  3. TaliOrlando

    TaliOrlando
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2006
    Messages:
    697
    Likes Received:
    0
    lol... :applause: "LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE"
     
  4. Sopranette

    Sopranette
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2006
    Messages:
    1,828
    Likes Received:
    0
    Lol! Is it that time of month already?

    Both of these genres of music have thier roots in illegal and immoral behaviour.
    We are to be seperate of the world. The end does not justify the means.

    love,

    Sopranette
     
  5. chuck2336

    chuck2336
    Expand Collapse
    Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2007
    Messages:
    587
    Likes Received:
    2

    Respectfully, all music has in their roots a bit of the "world". It does not matter if it is Bill Gaither, some quartet or a rock group or even rap and Reggae.

    Many of our cherished hymns will give arrangement credit to some folk style or song.

    It all boils down to this. If you like a style of music then you will agree with its use in worship. If you do not like the style then it is wrong.

    I do enjoy Hip Hop and Reggae. I will only listen to Christian artist of this genre, and only after I research it.

    Cross Movement Records (Rap) will bring in an artist and will not cut one song until that artist has gone through a period of discipling and the company feels that the artist is spiritually ready to make a CD and to tour.

    If you want to know what is good out there let me know I can give you some names.
     
  6. Gold Dragon

    Gold Dragon
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2005
    Messages:
    3,837
    Likes Received:
    3
    I'm not a fan of rap so I'm definitely not a fan of Christian rap. I find that Christian {insert musical genre} generally tends to be quite poor in musical quality relative to secular versions of that same genre.

    I'm a fan of the techno/trance genre and have appreciated the music of the Christian group Rivertribe. They take themes from common Christian worship songs and mix them into a trance style and do it quite well.

    I also am a fan of trip hop but have not heard a Christian group try the genre.

    I enjoyed the first Jars of Clay CD because they had some excellent guitar progressions. But since then, all their stuff is pretty much rehashing those same progressions.

    Regarding classical music, I find the Baroque era to have produced some of the best stuff out there. That seems to be common among trance/techno fans because of the emphasis on musical progressions and perpetuation.

    I've also taken a strong liking to movie sound tracks with middle eastern themes. One of my favourites is the Children of Dune TV series. I have a strong preference to music with very subtle or no vocalisation.

    Of course I've never associated musical styles with Satan. My mother is a piano teacher so I've been exposed to a wide variety of musical styles since I was an infant.
     
    #6 Gold Dragon, Mar 12, 2008
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 12, 2008
  7. StefanM

    StefanM
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2004
    Messages:
    6,429
    Likes Received:
    72
    You forgot to rehash some oblique reference that comes across as somewhat racial but is vehemently denied upon questioning.:laugh:
     
  8. D28guy

    D28guy
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2002
    Messages:
    2,713
    Likes Received:
    0
    I love Reggae. Its a wonderful and very enjoyable form of music. (I'm referring to the music, not neccesarilly the lyrics)

    Every once in a while I'll hear a praise and worship group throw a little bit of a reggae rythmn into the mix, but not "hard core". I'd LOVE to hear a band do some praise and worship using hard core reggae music. I think it would be awesome.

    Both rap and hip hop are unlistenable noise to my ears. 10 seconds of either is 10 seconds too much. Its 10 seconds of torture.

    Just my humble opinion. :wavey:

    Mike
     
  9. D28guy

    D28guy
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2002
    Messages:
    2,713
    Likes Received:
    0
    Regarding non traditional christian music, I dont like much of CCM, because its so "pop" oriented. If its "pop", I usually lose interest immedietly. I like Phil Keaggy's instrumental stuff a whole lot.

    I love Celtic music, so 2 of my favorite christian groups would be Iona and Edens Bridge. Very much out of the mainstream.

    Mike
     
  10. Crabtownboy

    Crabtownboy
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2008
    Messages:
    16,643
    Likes Received:
    158
    Music

    The music to many of the traditional well loved hyms come from 18th and 19th century bar songs. Go figure.

    Wasn't it Plato or Aristotle who said, "The younger generation is going to hell. They not respect their elders" .... and so on and so on.

    I guess this type of discussion has been a continuing one for thousands of years. :laugh:
     
  11. gekko

    gekko
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2005
    Messages:
    2,030
    Likes Received:
    0
    well well. haha.

    was wondering when this discussion was gonna start again.
    -----------

    that's not stereotyping at all. haha. (obviously being sarcastic.)

    i like rap music alot - though i've moved away from it. i still listen to it occassionaly - just not my favorite genre anymore.
    i'm more into the acoustic/surf/folk kinda scene now. (artists such as: Iron & Wine, Jack Johnson, Ben Harper, Matt Costa, Paul Wright, Shawn McDonald, Dallas Green.. etc.)

    the only thing(s) that deem a song "Christian" is if the lyrics and motive behind the lyrics - is God honoring - or wanting to bring someone to Christ - or witnessing - talking of God - talking of the things of God - telling a story of God's love or help etc. - if it has something to do with God that is God honoring.

    something that deems a song "non-Christian" would be the opposite of the above and also could be a song about God - but not God-honoring. a secular song could be written that is a mockery of God.
    not good at all. i don't like that kind of music.

    something that deems a song "neither" or "middle ground" or "story-telling" (yes i'm making these terms up as i go along. hehe) - is something like a parable.. a story. a life lesson. lyrics that tell of personal happenings - or world events or simple encouragements or hardfalls of life - things that are ironic or logical. something that has nothing to do with religious or spiritual meaning. though it can be implied.

    all depends on the motive of the lyricist and the form of the lyrics.

    a G-note is not any more holy or un-holy than an A-note.

    God bless.
     
  12. Sopranette

    Sopranette
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2006
    Messages:
    1,828
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yep, there's the "bar songs" myth. Anyone? Any one at all? I'm going to take a nap, myself!

    love,

    Sopranette
     
  13. Sopranette

    Sopranette
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2006
    Messages:
    1,828
    Likes Received:
    0
    All this is personal prefenence, and no true examination of music. Of course every genre of music is enjoyable to somebody, but not all of it is suitable for the church. Hey, I used to love Disco, but the minute my church starts playing some kind of weak Disco song, I outta there!

    love,

    Sopranette
     
  14. sag38

    sag38
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2008
    Messages:
    4,394
    Likes Received:
    1
    After all the Bible says, "Thou shalt not play disco style music."
     
  15. Sopranette

    Sopranette
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2006
    Messages:
    1,828
    Likes Received:
    0
    Well, that was lame.

    love,

    Sopranette
     
  16. sag38

    sag38
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2008
    Messages:
    4,394
    Likes Received:
    1
    It only pointed out the truth of your position. You can't back up your aversion with scripture. Disco has a particular beat or rythm to it, just as jazz does or other styles of music. There is nothing unBiblical about the that rythm or beat or style. Now if you add ungodly or immoral lyrics to it, then you can make a legitimate Biblical stand.
     
  17. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    Sounds selfish to me...

    "If I can't get my music, I'm leaving!!! <stomp> <stomp>

    If God doesn't move you... Stay put.

    There are too many people that are not loyal to their church.
     
  18. Sopranette

    Sopranette
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2006
    Messages:
    1,828
    Likes Received:
    0
    That's not why I would be leaving. I would leave because it would be a sign to me that this church is going in a direction I don't want any part of.

    love,

    Sopranette
     
  19. Magnetic Poles

    Magnetic Poles
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2005
    Messages:
    10,407
    Likes Received:
    0
    Even our national anthem, The Star Spangled Banner, took its melody from a drinking song, To Anacreon in Heaven. Maybe it would be easier to sing with a few pints of ale in the gullet! I imagine the original writers would have been shocked to realize they had given tune to a national anthem.

    Here are the original words:

    TO ANACREON IN HEAVEN
    (Ralph Tomlinson, John Stafford Smith)

    To Anacreon in Heav'n, where he sat in full glee
    A few sons of Harmony seny a petition,
    That he their inspirer and patron would be,
    When this answer arrived from the jolly old Grecian:
    Voice, fiddle and flute,
    No longer be mute.
    I'll lend you my name, and inspire you to boot...
    And, besides, I'll intruct you, like me, to entwine
    The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus' vine.

    The news to Olympus immediately flew,
    Where Old Thunder decided to give himself airs.
    "If we suffer these mortals their schemes to pursue,
    There's Devil a goddess will stay above stairs."
    Hark! Already they cry
    In transports of joy,
    "A fig for Parnassus, to Rowley's we'll fly!
    And there, my good fellows, we'll learn to entwine
    The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus' vine."

    The yellow-hair'd god, and his nine fusty maids,
    To the hill of old Lud will incontinent flee.
    Idalia will boast but of tenantless shades
    And the biforked hill a mere desert will be.
    My thunder, no fear on't
    Will soon do its errand,
    And damme!, I'll swinge the ringleaders I warrant,
    I'll trim the young dogs, for thus daring to twine,
    The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus' cine.

    Apollo rose up; and said prithee ne'er quarrel
    Good king of the gods with thy vot'ries below!
    Your thunder is useless---then, shewing his laurel
    Cry'd "Sic evitable fulmen, you know.
    Then over each head
    My laurels I'll spread,
    So my sons from your crackers no mischief shall dread,
    Whilst snug in their club-room, they jovially twine
    The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus' vine."

    Next Momus got up, with his risible phiz
    And swore with Apollo he'd cheerfully join.
    The full tide of harmony still shall be his
    But the song, and the catch and the laugh shall be mine.
    Then, Jove be not jealous
    Of these honest fellows,
    Cry'd ove, "We relent, since the truth you now tell us
    And swear, by old Styx, that they long shall entwine
    The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus' vine.

    Ye sons of Anacreon, then join hand in hand
    Preserve unanimity, friends and love.
    'Tis your's to support what's so happily plann'd
    You've the sanction of gods, and the fiat of love.
    While thus we agree
    Our toast, let it be
    May our club flourish happy, united and free!
    And long may the sons of Anacreon entwine
    The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus' vine.
     
  20. Aaron

    Aaron
    Expand Collapse
    Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2000
    Messages:
    15,666
    Likes Received:
    225
    Are you sure? The words "psalms," "hymns," and "spiritual songs" describe styles. The passage in Ephesians contrasts them with the excess and drunkenness that usually accompanied the profane interactions of the Greeks.

    How are the manners of Rap consistent with the moderation Christians are to observe?
     

Share This Page

Loading...