question on answering for sin

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  1. webdog

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    Scripture tells us that both the righteous and unrighteos will have to answer for what's done in the body, both good and bad.

    Scripture also states that if we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sin.

    If our sin is forgotten, how does that corrolate with us having to answer for it someday?
     
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    Personally, I believe the only answer that will satisfy God is Jesus. He is the ultimate answer. I don't believe any other answer will be required.
     
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    I hope He doesn't go over my sins before I got saved. :tonofbricks:
     
  4. Ed Franklin

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    With regard to believers, at the Judgment Seat of Christ, they will be judged for the works done in the body, whether they be good or bad.....whether our works were of benefit to the cause of Christ, or worthless, fleshly activities.

    For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
    (2Co 5:10)


    Believers are not going to "answer for" their sins then or at any other time. Our sin problem was dealt with once for all in the death of Christ.

    God is omniscient. He does not forget anything, including our sins, in the sense that I forget to pay the phone bill. In His mercy and grace, He chooses to not remember them or hold them against us, or hold us to account for them.

    As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
    (Psa 103:12)


    So far as unbelievers, Christ has not made atonement for their sin, so they indeed will answer in person.
     
  5. Ed Franklin

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    So, do you think your sins subsequent to your salvation are more pleasing to God?
     
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    What things done in the body considered "bad" would not be sin?
     
  7. Ed Franklin

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    I understand your point....but, in comparing scripture with scripture, I find it clear that our sin has already been judged in Christ, ipso facto we will not be judged for it later on (such as at the Judgment Seat).

    Therefore, the judgment there will be as to the quality of work done in our bodies as Christians. I'm sure you have seen and experienced both good and bad works, in others and yourself. Some of us spend a lot of time building with wood, hay, stubble, in the flesh, rather than in the Spirit and to the glory of God. The commandment is: do all to the Glory of God.....but I know too much time in my life has been directed to "what was right in my own eyes" This is the way I view the distinction between "wood, hay, stubble" and "gold, silver, precious stones"
     
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    He can't remember them. :godisgood:
     
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    I'll drop my nickle in the bucket:

    This 'Judgment' is not about sin like the Great White Throne Judgment will be and since it will concern judging of sin it will directed specifically at sinners/unsaved.

    And since this 'Judgment' is not about sin, let's look at it for a second.
    NOTE: it does not say the righteous and unrighteous will stand before God in the judgment. But speaks of 'us' (believers) being judged for what we have done in our body (during our lives) whether good or bad. Not that the reward will be good or bad.

    1. It speaks about who is going to be at THIS judgment or what is known as the Bema Seat Judgment is about judging our faithfulness.
    ...A. Paul in context of the passage before and after is addressing believers/saved and not sinners/unsaved.
    ...B. This shows though salvation is purely of grace and we are established in that justification of our sins, it reveals the saved may have a greater or less reward given according as he lives and labors for Christ. IOW - we are going to be judged according to lives we lived for Christ .

    Thus Pauls statement of run the race set before you.to obtain the crown.
    And then look at what he states in conjuction WITH chapter 9 that we would have an example of what he was speaking to:
    They were saved according to Gods promises but did not reap the rewards given to the faithful beyond only being reciepents of the Gods promised salvation to those of faith.

    It also gives credence to Jesus statement in Luk 18:8:
    " ...when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

    Paul again speaking of running to win (receive a reward) is seen in Heb 12:
     
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  10. JustChristian

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    What is this description of the Judgement mean?

    Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
    Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?
    Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]?
    Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.
    Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.
    Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
     
  11. Allan

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    So, are you Amil, Postmil, or Premil??
    Because depending on which you are will determine when the above quote is to transpire.

    All at once, over time, or at the beginning.
     
  12. JustChristian

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    It's not that complicated.

    Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
     
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    As far as Christians go (who are righteous in Christ), Paul answers you in 1 Corinthians 3:10-15, which goes as follows:

    By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.

    This is entirely different from our sins. Any one of us can sin, and probably do, even while doing the Lord's work! Sin is rebellion in one form or another and that chips away a bit at the personal relationship we have with our Lord. So confession and forgiveness are essential for God to forgive and restore the fullness of the relationship.

    Here is a personal example, since I know my own story best...smile. I am the wife of a very godly man and it is part of the Lord's work for me to be a supportive and encouraging and loving wife. But sometimes I'm grouchy or snap at him for no good reason whatsoever. Now, the rest of the time I am that loving wife, but those times of nastiness need to be confessed -- to both God AND Barry -- and forgiveness sought. When I nag or snap, I distance myself a bit from them both and that is NOT what I want nor what they want, so the relationships must be restored. This, however, is part of my maturing in the Spirit and does not mean that my position as a supportive and loving wife is any less God's work for me to do. Make sense?

    Now, as far as Christians having to answer for our sins. No, Christ took care of that completely. I do think, however, that it is entirely possible that some of us will have incredibly humbling moments after death when we see our own lives from His perspective....
     
  14. Allan

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    So then you believe that the Judgment is done all at the same time (believers and non-believers alike), and not that they are two SEPERATE events. Is this correct in your view?

    Thus it was my question since it comes from one of the three main views or Pre, Post, or Amill.
     
  15. JustChristian

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    Yes. What in scripture says anything different? The passage in Mathew says:

    Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:

    Rev. 20 says:

    Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
    Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    I don't see anything here that says that these are not two descriptions of the Judgment. I don't believe that we are saved by works. We are saved by believing on our Lord Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection. However, there's plenty of evidence in the Bible that says that a true salvation experience must be accompanied by a "born again" experience. Christians, like good trees or vines will bear good fruit. Only that fruit that results from a true salvation (or actually it's more accurate to just say salvation experience) is weighed in the balance. So-called "carnal christians" will be found wanting.
     
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