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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by vooks, Feb 20, 2016.
Will there be natural deaths during the 7 years following your rapture?
And will there be natural Christian deaths after you are raptured?
But keep in mind that all who place their faith in Christ in that Period will be Christians. That does not mean they are part of the Church of this Age which Paul speaks of being raptured.
But, go ahead and get to the punchline, lol.
When will these resurrect?
If we assume the Rapture takes place on the brink of the Tribulation (which is likely but not a position that can be dogmatically stated), and that the seven years in view in your OP/question is the Tribulation, then we know from Scripture that the Christians that die in those seven years are resurrected in the First Resurrection.
The rest of the dead do not live again (are not resurrected) until the thousand years are up.
How do 'we' know that?
Any scriptures to support your claim?
Yes, go read the last thread you started and you will see many passages posted to present the very basic teachings you denied.
It is just basic, Vooks. No-one denies that those who die in the Tribulation, who have come to faith in Christ in that Period...are resurrected at the First Resurrection.
No-one but you, that is.
Have a great day, and have a great thread.
That's a false accusation but I'll let it pass.
Please get me the specific scripture showing me that the non-matyred tribulation saints will resurrect in the First Resurrection.
I never said they would, lol.
So they won't resurrect?
Yes, eventually, but those who physically live through the Tribulation will physically live during the Millennial Kingdom. These will be born again Christians who will produce offspring, and this offspring is where those who rebel against God at the end of the Millennial Kingdom come from.
Please, could you be kind enough to briefly explain to me what you mean by Tribulation?
Be glad to: when I capitalize Tribulation I am referring to that seven year period written of in Daniel which is the Seventieth Week. And just as The Seventieth Week is not found in Scripture in that particular phrase but is commonly accepted and understood by most Theologians as to what it is in reference to, even so The Tribulation is usually understood to be a reference to that period.
We distinguish between tribulation and The Tribulation based on numerous texts, not to mention the teaching of Christ which is describing a period He Personally distinguishes from the rest of human History:
King James Version (KJV)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
This same Period is described in detail in Revelation, and few mistake the correlation of the Prophecy of that Book with the Lord's teaching concerning the tribulation that would come upon those He instructed (which I would suggest had a first and foremost application to Israel, then, to mankind in this Age prior to that Period).
There will be natural deaths during this period and believers won't be immune to this you agreed. You also said they would resurrect in the First Resurrection together with the beheaded saints, right?
They are the "beheaded saints." And I am one that looks at the use of "beheading" to be a general reference to death, meaning that is not the only way they die. I think that many will succumb to the judgments that are poured out as well (i,e,, famine, war, astrological events).
So if You come across 'beheaded' in Revelation, it is a 'general reference to death'?
It's just familiar terminology, similar to the use of "blood" as a reference to death. When Scripture speaks of the "blood of Christ" it is a reference to His death. Rather than just the Lord bleeding.
Will antichrist behead/kill those who resist the mark?
I think that beheading will be something that occurs often in the Tribulation for two reasons: first, while I do not agree with those who take the view that the Antichrist will come out of Islam (though I admit it is a possibility), I do think, seeing that the countries Prophecy speaks of being participants in the end days are all primarily Muslim, that this usual method of execution will be employed by them.
Secondly, it is a cheap means of execution and involves no technology, which is really the second point: technology will, due to the calamity involved, fail greatly in this period. The collapse of civilization is not something incredible that would take a great deal maneuvering to come about. Failure of the Power Systems would be enough to throw the entire world into chaos. Societies have become over-dependent on technology, and something as simple as the ability to store food could be enough to change the entire face of the earth.
But to answer the question more directly and bring the Antichrist into view, I don't think he will personally do the killing, but, in the atmosphere which arises in that Period, and when he sets himself up as a god, I see Scripture teaching that he will demand allegiance, and those who rebel against him will certainly be put to death.
I view the mark as a simple sign of allegiance to Antichrist, because again, I think technology will fail in general. And the one that controls the food in that day will be in control. If one cannot buy or sell without having the mark, and the means of obtaining the mark allegiance (which will actually be worship) to the Beast, this places those who trust in Christ in the position of either denying Christ and living physically, or dying as a consequence of the Beast's control over food.
Then we have those who I think will be sought out and demanded to come into allegiance. I think there will be a program where those who resist the Beast will be sought out and put to death for refusing to take the Mark.