Featured Question: "What is hyper-Calvinism and is it biblical?"

We hold that the death of Christ was atonement to fave those whom the cross was intended to save, the Elect, that he died a specific death for a specific group of people, not to atone for all sinners, else all would be saved!

that is NOT hyper cal, just normal one!

 

You are basically describing " 4 point" calvinists!

I know, as once held that position, but was convinced by the scriptures that jesus died to secure REAl salvation of actual, not a potential kind!

5 point calvinists NOT Hyper, as we still hold that one MUST receive Christ by faith to get saved, and that we MUST preach/teach christ to get that accomplished!

 

Thing is that you and I would agree that we must teach/speak/preach about jesus and the gospel...

That God saves sinners by grace alone, faith alone!

 

believe calvin was teaching there that God offers salvation in the sense of a common grace towards all sinners,all are preached the gospel, but also ONLY intends and actual grants saving grace towards those who are Elect in chrsit, didn't he?

 

actually, there has been universal agreement rearding 4 points, its just the one regarding if the intent of the atonement was unlimited/limited that gets disagreed upon!

 

Does Calvin believe in limited Atonement or not? Many say that Calvin did not believe it. Dr. Nicole proves them quite wrong, but not without careful efforts. :smilewinkgrin:

http://www.apuritansmind.com/arminianism/john-calvins-view-of-limited-atonement/

 

think only God knows that answer, for calvin , depending on which time of his writings, seem to teach both aspects of it at times!

Will see also that careful readin gof ALL of his work would led one to presume that calvin held to a substitutionary atonement, and that definite provision in it was made for the Elect of god!

 

Let us remember, on the other hand, that while life is promised universally to all who believe in Christ, still faith is not common to all. For Christ is made known and held out to the view of all, but the elect alone are they whose eyes God opens, that they may seek him by faith. Here, too, is displayed a wonderful effect of faith; for by it we receive Christ such as he is given to us by the Father -- that is, as having freed us from the condemnation of eternal death, and made us heirs of eternal life, because, by the sacrifice of his death, he has atoned for our sins, that nothing may prevent God from acknowledging us as his sons. Since, therefore, faith embraces Christ, with the efficacy of his death and the fruit of his resurrection, we need not wonder if by it we obtain likewise the life of Christ. (John Calvin, Commentary on John, volume 1 3:16)

 

Really?

My guess is that that would be the view of all pastors and elders in every Presbyterian or Reformed church.

However, I'm not sure about "Calvinist" or Reformed Baptists. However, John Piper seems to fit the mold. See attached link.

http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/piper/piper_atonement.html

 

This is a good read

http://www.desiringgod.org/resource...we-believe-about-the-five-points-of-calvinism

 

Think thar Reformed christians take TULIP all points, while those of us reformed can be either 4/5 pointers!