Questionable support for Ron Paul

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    LoneStarTimes.com investigation has conclusively established that a leading figure in the American neo-Nazi / White-Supremacist movement has provided financial support to Ron Paul’s 2008 Presidential campaign.The individual in question is Don Black, the founder, owner and operator of Stormfront, a “white power” website that both professional journalists and watch-dog groups have identified as the premier English-language racist/hate-site on the Internet.
    Previous LST posts have focused on banner “widgets” appearing on the front-page of Stormfront. It is important to emphasize that these are NOT “advertisements” placed on Stormfront BY the Paul campaign, but rather publicly-available graphics that Stormfront’s owner has chosen to place himself, with links directly to Paul’s donation page.
    Nevertheless, LST has in the past several weeks raised a series of questions for the Paul campaign; specifically–
    1. Can Paul confirm that the donation widgets appearing on Stormfront are the result of the site owner’s actions, not the campaign’s?
    2. Will Paul take measures to block Stormfront as a referring URL to his own website, so that no future donations can possibly flow into his campaign from a site that serves as the on-line nexus of neo-Nazism?
    3. Will Paul ask his own web-staff to trace past donations that were made by anyone arriving at his campaign’s webpage from Stormfront, so that these contributions can be rejected?
    4. Will Paul explore if there are any legal actions available to try to remove his donation widget from Stormfront, and if so pursue them?
    5. At the very least, will Paul personally state publicly, vigorously and unmistakably that he rejects the support of white supremacists, and that he will not knowingly tolerate their involvement with his campaign in any form or to any degree?
    LoneStarTimes.com’s managing editor Matt Bramanti left multiple messages last week for officials in Paul’s national campaign press office seeking comment. None were returned.
    In the interim, a number of grassroots supporters of Paul’s campaign– including many honorable and regular readers of LST– have argued that…
    • It is unfair to hold Paul responsible for receiving political support from racists/neo-Nazis if that support was unsolicited by Paul;
    • Paul hasn’t, in fact, solicited white-supremacist support; AND
    • Paul’s campaign has no practical way of knowing whether or not a specific financial contribution made has come from a neo-Nazi.
    These abstract debates are now moot– a contribution to the Paul campaign by a known white-supremacist has been identified.
    The evidence is as follows:
    • Black proudly and openly identifies himself as Stormfront’s guiding hand, and publishes a contact address on the Internet– PO Box 6637, West Palm Beach, FL, 33405
    • A search by LST of public databases indicates that there is only one “Don Black” residing in West Palm Beach, Florida, zip code 33405
    • A 7/16/01 USA Today article identifies Black’s wife as being named “Chloe”
    • That same article identifies Chloe as being the ex-wife of close Black associate and former “Grand Wizard” of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke
    • Minutes of a 9/7/07 City of West Palm Beach code-compliance hearing identify “Chloe H. Duke” as owning a residential property located at 203 Lakeland Drive
    • According to Federal Election Commission records, on 9/30/07 the Ron Paul presidential campaign received a $500 contribution from a Mr. Don Black, who lists his address as 203 Lakeland Drive and identifies his occupation as “self-employed/website manager”
    In light of these facts, we believe our previously asked questions continue to have merit.
    A final note– it is traditional in political campaigns for candidates to return contributions from “toxic” donors once sufficient public scrutiny and outcry has been generated......


    http://lonestartimes.com/2007/10/25/rpb1/
     
  2. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    Good info.
     
  3. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I'll let you know in advance that I am debating the thread title. It subtly implies that Ron Paul supporters somehow are associated with Jew-hating.

    Am mulling over changing the thread title.
     
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    I repect any decision you make. I will say that I never called all his supporters Jew-haters. But there are a lot of them, and I believe I have backed up my claims about them.
     
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    That's the whole idea C4K...to imply Ron Paul supporters are all Jew - haters. Next will be that all Ron Paul supporters are violent anarchist Jew - haters that want only to destroy the US of A. That's how the "establishment" deals with anyone that threatens their monopolized positions of power and control over us. This type of subtle propaganda is to be expected at this time, and it'll get worse and the "establishment" shills will get louder and their poison stronger as time goes by.

    You'll see. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    I didnt see the title or the article as being all inclusive.
     
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    Neither are. It's the subtle crafting of guilt by association. Imply that Ron Paul supporters are associated with Jew - hatin anarchists long enough and people will believe we are all Jew - hatin anarchists. Same as people believe today that liberals are out destroy the USA. Nevermind the establishment elite co opted the libs and enviromentalist movements long ago in order to destroy the USA. Much the same as they co opted the conservative movement not so many moons ago to bring about the same end to this nation.

    They got us fighting the wrong enemies by doing all that. Ron Paul recognizes the real enemies of this nation and has no fear of calling them out and unmasking them for all to see. That makes him and his supporters a threat to their global empires. We expect this type of demonization and smearing from them and their controlled media talking heads, and even those who are well meaning and good people that have been duped by them.
     
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    The title has been changed and I was speaking of the original. However ronnie does have the largest following of this sort.
     
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    So? What's your point?
     
  10. Ivon Denosovich

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    For what it's worth, I'm a Ron Paul supporter and I'm NOT offended by Br. Curtis' title. I know what he meant.

    To the OP: it looks like another wierd/conspiratorial/militia libertarian and unfortunately there are lots of them.
     
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    There is a simple reason for this.

    Dr. Paul is pro-2nd Amendment, anti-tax, and generally anti-government interference in the personal lives of people.

    These positions are all held dear by white supremacist groups, which is why they typically vote Republican anyway. Dr. Paul hust happens to be the strongest supporter of these issues running, so they are naturally going to pull for him.

    If he drops out of the race, they will flock to some other Republican.

    Now, my view on the whole matter is, take their money, and then use it to spread a message of equality and love for your neighbor. Have them finance an opposite message from their own with their own money. That would lead them to eventually lose interest in your campaign. Of course, that's just my opinion on the matter.
     
  12. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    I do not doubt any of this.
     

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