So many of these threads have been spent in trying to either defend or refute Johnny Mac. To me, these non LS people are defining themselves more by how they disagree with John MacArther then explaining exactly what they believe. Therefore I would like to see the following questions answered by the non-LS people: Will one whom Christ has saved, have sorrow for their sin? Will Christ permit one who has been saved to live a lifestyle of obstinate disobedience to God's Word? Will those whom Christ has saved also be sanctified? Will the Holy Spirit always grant repentance to those who will be saved?