Questions fundamentalists ought to answer

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  1. Luke2427

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    1. If you believe that you are from a line of baptists that were never part of the Historic Christian Church (including catholics and protestants), how do you justify practically every ounce of your orthodoxy coming from the Historic Christian Church? (like the Trinity for example. Though it came from the Bible, our UNDERSTANING of it was shaped by CATHOLICS)

    Shouldn't you be like the Mormons and have your OWN orthodoxy?

    Shouldn't your forefathers have contributed SOMETHING to what you believe besides believer's baptism????????????

    2. Is it not arrogance to the inth degree to not CARE what the historic church believed on some passage or doctrine before you haphazardly preach it or post it?

    Is it not wickedness, really, to pretend you don't need the Body of Christ whih spans nearly two thousand years of history to help you properly interpret the Great Doctrines of the Faith?

    Is it not this kind of arrogance and wickednes that gives rise to KJVO, condemnation of pants and bobbed hair on women, the preaching of tons of extra-biblical standards, the isolationism and holier than thou attitude and all other forms of immense error we find rampant in "fundamentalism"?

    3. Shouldn't good fundamentalists join with us in the condemnation of this wickedness that is rampant in their ranks rather than oppose the condemnation of it? Isn't it like the "peaceful" Muslims who refuse to condemn Jihad? If they really want these things to be quelled in their ranks, shouldn't they join in condemnation of them?

    4. Isn't it true that you find this kind of wickedness mostly within the ranks of those who tout the title fundamentalist? I know that there are fundamentalists who don't preach these things but since they don't condemn them with any severity at all it is hard to differentiate them. Regardless it is by and large people, whether rightly of not, who use the title "fundamentalist" who preach this wickedness, is it not?
     
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    Another question for you though...

    Should A Christian berate the faith/doctrines of another believer in Christ, as we BOTH serve same messiah, and both of us will have areas of doctrines 'wrong?"

    As long as they are not holding to false doctrines, is it wrong for them to hold as they do?
     
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    Question: Who are you looking to answer your questions? Since we all agree that you're not talking about "all" IFB, then which of the IFBers who post here on this board would you like to address your questions?
     
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    KJVO IS false doctrine.

    Legalism IS false doctrine.

    A hermeneutic based in such arrogance that ignores the whole history of the Body of Christ as if the Body is not needed is EXTREMELY dangerous.

    So absolutely. Not only is it RIGHT to confront this thinking. It is absolutley WRONG NOT TO.
     
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    Rick, why don't you go and worry about the Masons in your church?

    Why don't you stop preaching the heresy of Calvinism?

    Why don't you simply give it a rest?
     
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    Brother Don, there are SEVERAL posters who proudly ADMIT to this kind of thinking. I think THEY ought to answer these questions.

    Secondly, there are numerous fundamentalist posters deny this thinking who I think ought to answer these questions in such a way that both differentiates them FROM these other fundamentalists and also condemns this thinking because it OUGHT to be condemned.
     
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    Actually, Rick, you should be asking these questions to God. In your brand of Calvinism, the only reason that these Fundamentalists would think this way is because God decreed them to think this way. So, if they believe that they are outside of your silly, proper noun, "Historic Christian Church", then it was by God's decree. Who are you to question God?
     
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    First of all, I don't think Masonry is any where near as wicked and dangerous as backwards fundamentalism.

    Secondly, no intelligent person on earth thinks Calvinism is heresy. William Lane Craig is a brilliant non-cal and he professes that Calvinism is perfectly orthodox. Jacobus Arminius's Arminianism is the antithesis of Calvinism and JAcobus Arminius professes that Calvin is the greatest theologian in Christian history. So that would be stupid.

    As to your third question: because it would be wrong. This backwards thinking is a cancer in our religious culture. It is, in my opinion, one of the great evils of our day. Yes there are Christian people who love God who are going to heaven who believe this mess just as there were Catholic people in Luther's day who loved God and believed CAtholic doctrines- but it is an evil in our age that ought to be resisted on every hand.
     
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    I think it is time for a Baptist Board Business Meeting and elect Luke2427 as the sole determiner of what is heresy and what is not. He can also demand who must answer his questions and who ought to condemn what.
     
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    Then you are wrong. You should be used to this however.

    Being called stupid and unintelligent by the likes of you is a compliment. Calvinism is heresy.

    Then it is a great evil decreed by God (so says your brand of Calvinism). God will obviously use it for His Glory. Who are you to question God's decrees?
     
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    Rick would be prefect for the role of Head Inquisitor. Shall we provide him with a stake, firewood, and matches....or just a guillotine?
     
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    So I guess this means you have no answers to the OP.
     
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    I've given you the answer. God decreed that they believe this. Stop questioning God.
     
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    I don't think in our culture that burning them at the stake or beheading them is the answer.

    I think a concerted, outspoken, vehement condemnation of their thinking would go a long way to ridding our culture of this evil.

    That's what I call for.
     
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    One would think that a Christian wouldn't leave the door open for murder in any culture. Of course, a Calvinist that must defend their idol John Calvin needs to leave the door open.
     
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    Where's your cheerleaders? Shouldn't they show up on this thread soon? Maybe you better send them a PM to let them know to get over here.
     
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    Yes. So you still deflect because you cannot answer the OP.
     
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    I've answered the OP. I'll do it again. According to your brand of Calvinism (which I assume you believe), God decreed these people to believe this way. Who are you to question God's decrees?
     
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    Then call them out. Don't be shy.

    Then call them out. Don't be shy.
     
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    As I said, you have no answer.

    First semester theology, even from an Arminian institution, would teach you that this line of questioning is invalid.

    The way God's decrees and man's choices work together is a mystery. We know that nothing happens apart from God's decrees and that man makes real choices for which he is held accountable. We don't know how those things work together. We just know they do.

    So we compel men to make wise choices.

    I think a wise choice for you at this point would be to answer the questions in the OP.
     
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