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  1. labinsk

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    Rev 3.
    5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    Does it mean that He can blot out names out of book of life?

    2 Tim 2
    12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

    What does it mean He will deny us?

    Heb 10
    26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
    27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    Is this verses talking about people that are saved? What does it mean NO MORE SACRIFICE?

    Thanks in advance for your reply.
     
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    Question:
    Rev 3.
    5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    Does it mean that He can blot out names out of book of life?

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    Absoultely not. The passage says that He will not bot those names out who overcome

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    2 Tim 2
    12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

    What does it mean He will deny us?
    Answer;
    The passage is saying that those who reject Him He will also reject. These are those who do not get saved.

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    Heb 10
    26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
    27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    Is this verses talking about people that are saved? What does it mean NO MORE SACRIFICE?

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    the passage is a warning to all, but even more so in this case a warning to the Jew. If they wilfully sin (reject Jesus as Messiah) after they have received the truth there is no other or more sacrafice to be given and only judgement is left. I know of many people who believe in all the claims of Jesus Christ and still reject turning to Him. In the case of a Jew who was brought up under thhe animal sacrificial system, and this happens, they cannot go back to that system since all that is left now is judgement. There is no other sacrifice then that of Messiah. it is a strong warning to repent and place ones faith in Christ Jesus.
     
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    He can blot out names from the book of life...He's God. He that overcometh will not be bloted out, he that does not overcometh will be bloted out.
     
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    What is overcometh, Is it overcometh all the trials that every Christian faces, and if you do overcome then He will not blot your name out of book of Life? But if you give up and start sinning continual bases and not repenting of it on then he will blot your name out?

    I believe this passage is talking to saved people.
     
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    No, the we/us is already saved. If we suffer we shall reign with Him, if we deny Him, He will deny us and we will not reign with Him.
    It is a warning to believers. Sinning willfully doesn't mean rejecting Jesus as Messiah. It is talking about sinning presumptuously.

    Numbers 15:30-31
    30 But the soul that doeth aught presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
    31 Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.

    PRESUMP'TUOUS
    5. Willful; done with bold design, rash confidence or in violation of known duty; as a presumptuous sin.
     
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    Rev 3.
    5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    Does it mean that He can blot out names out of book of life?

    ********* If salvation is true and one cannot lose it, then this appears to be a contradiction. It is not, but it does demolish some theologies which say children are born condemned to hell already. Jesus said the children are His -- that their angels always see the face of the Father. This clearly indicates that we are all born with our names in the Book of Life, but that there comes a time when we know the law, which defines sin, and willfully go against it (see Romans 7:7-11). At this point we die spiritually, or are separated from God. However, God knows from before time who will turn to Him and who will not after this separation, and those who turn to Him do not have their names blotted out and those who do not do have their names blotted out. If salvation is forever and for good, and I strongly believe it is, based on the Bible itself, then this is really the only possible explanation. You will find reference to this blotting out also in Exodus 32:32 (Moses talking to the Lord), and the next verse, in which the Lord responds to Moses, and again in Psalm 69:28. These verses cannot be ignored, but neither can the passages which indicate that salvation is a once-forever thing and that the Lord loses none!

    This leaves only the option that all names are originally in the Book of Life but that some are blotted out due to their refusal of God's Provision (Christ) for them.

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    2 Tim 2
    12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

    What does it mean He will deny us?

    *********** Many claim Christianity. Not all of these are willing to suffer for Christ in any way, even to the point of slight inconvenience. These people are claiming the name of Christ but taking that Name, that Character, in vain. We ARE disciplined, as His children. We WILL suffer in various degrees and ways, according to His will. This is a guarantee from Him in the New Testament. Christianity is not a life of ease, for we are being transformed into His image, and He was made complete through suffering while incarnated.

    Thus, if we refuse to follow, we are denying Him. Claiming His name but refusing to be His, actually. Thus, when push comes to shove, later, He will recognize what was really going on in our hearts and lives and deny us also.

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    Heb 10
    26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
    27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    Is this verses talking about people that are saved? What does it mean NO MORE SACRIFICE?

    Thanks in advance for your reply.

    ********** No, this is not talking about people who are saved. It can be partially explained by Romans 1 and the fact that even nature proclaims the character of God and that the people who suppress the truth that is evident to them are going to feel God's wrath poured out on them. All truth is in Christ Jesus in the long run, and when the knowledge of truth, which would point to Christ inevitably, is refused and sin preferred, then there is nothing left but judgment, for only Christ is the answer. Only His sacrifice, once for all, was acceptable to the Father. There is no other sacrifice available to men for their salvation. What Jesus did, He did, and that was enough for all time. Refuse that, and what is left?

    Remember also that this passage in Hebrews has a particular relevance in another way. It was being written to the Hebrews themselves, a number of whom were evidently considering returning to Judaism and turning their backs on the truth of Christ. The writer to the Hebrews is warning them against this.
     
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    Helen, how can you equate 'received the knowledge of the truth' with 'refused the knowledge of the truth'?
     
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    If I tell you the truth about something, and you hear me, you have received the truth about that thing.

    It does not mean you have to believe me, however. You can refuse to believe.

    It's sort of like me giving someone a gift, having them take it, look at it, and then dash it to the floor. There is no other gift left.
     
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    That is an interesting theory, but can you show an example of receive used this way in the bible? The word receive is used over and over to mean accept.

    Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

    1 Timothy 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.

    Acts 22:18 And saw him saying unto me, Make haste, and get thee quickly out of Jerusalem: for they will not receive thy testimony concerning me.

    John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

    Refusing to believe is the opposite of receiving.
     
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    I understand your point, James, but here is a question: What other word could have been used to indicate that something was given/shown/taught/exposed (choose the appropriate verb here), and accepted by the receiver in order to be examined before being accepted in a final way or rejected? To me this indicates a language conundrum.

    For instance, if you look at the parable of the talents in Matthew 25, we see this same word used for each of the men who received the talents. But it was what they did with what they received which made all the difference, right?

    I think Hebrews 10 may well be referring to the same thing.
     
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    those who never get saved will not have their names in the book of llife.
     
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    Hello labinsk,
    your answer is in scripture.
    1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.
    1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?



     

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