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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Ed Edwards, May 7, 2004.
Do you hate the KJV?
answer for the ignorant, apathetic, and etc.
ignorant = not knowing
apathetic = not caring
and etc = anything else
Now if somebody says "I hate the KJV"
we will know they are lying.
Nobody here for over a month "hates"
the KJV. I love the KJV so much i
have three or four different versions of it.
And the purpose of this poll would be?
HATE, v.t. [L. odi, for hodi.]
1. To dislike greatly; to have a great aversion to. It expresses less than abhor, detest, and abominate, unless pronounced with a peculiar emphasis.
How long will fools hate knowledge? Prov.1.
Blessed are ye when men shall hate you. Luke 6.
The Roman tyrant was contented to be hated, if he was but feared.
2. In Scripture, it signifies to love less.
If any man come to me, and hate not father and mother, &c. Luke 14.
He that spareth the rod, hateth his son. Prov. 13.
I assume that some well-meaning (but rabid) KJVO would intentionally vote for the "hate" just to show how evil the BB folks are.
Gotta say I am pleasantly surprised. Usually people live down to their reputation.
Well, apparently only two did.
I'm advanacing this post up to the front.
There was a thread started recently that
was way in it's second page before i noticed
it. It has a name similiar to this
Topic's name. That Topic has been closed,
invaldating a bunch of written posts of
mine. (Sorry, i have to work for a living
so can't stay on board for 16-hours a
day typing stuff like mad in relationship
to partially read posts.)
Oh well, enough about the elephant in the
I was in a Bulletin Board with a poll
like: Please answer "yes".
2% to 8% would always answer "no".
That is a very broad brush you are painting with, sir. I know quite a few KJVOers, but last I checked none of them have rabies.
Now, foaming at the mouth, snarling and biting people randomly, yeah, plenty of that going on at church all the time.
I do not hate the KJV at all. While I believe that there are better translations available, I cannot hate something that is the word of God.
You don't hate it but you mock it? "I bought an AV 1611 replica for defending myself against KJVO attack and also for comic relief amongst my college friends."
Do you really thing the King James Version of the bible is only good for "comic relief." What kind of a testimony is that to your "college friends?"
No I do not think the KJV is only good for comic relief. I bought a 1611 KJV replica in case someone tries to tell me that I'm going to hell because I'm not reading the AV 1611. If that ever occurs, I'll be able to point and grin as I show them my 1611 KJV while I look at their 1769 version.
As far as my college friends go, the college I attend is conservative but Southern Baptist, so we accept modern translations, use the Nestle-Aland NT text, etc. We have had tracts on our campus equating the NIV to HIV, and some preachers in our area are STRONGLY KJVO. Therefore, as students, we consider such things to be incredibly irrational. I'm sick and tired of things like this: one friend of mine at school was supplying in the pulpit of a church, preaching sola fide and sola scriptura, giving an excellent sermon that glorifies God. What happened? After preaching, he sat down only to be derided and mentally spat upon because he happened to be using the ESV instead of the KJV (he was never informed beforehand to use the KJV). Also, the college friends of whom I speak are ministry majors.
Who is mocking the word of God? Who is hating the word of God?
I agree with the KJV translators that even the "meanest translation" is still the word of God.
So to answer your question, I do NOT hate the KJV. I do NOT mock the KJV; I think it is a poorer translation than some available today, but I do NOT mock it. However, I will not stand for someone trying to tell me that the ESV, NASB, or NIV I hold in my hand is not the word of God. It is this mentality that I mock.
Before anyone accuses me of trying to sow division or some other offense, I remind you all of this. The sole reason I speak is because I stand for what I believe to be the word of God. If I were never told that my NIV is of the devil, I would say nothing, but I WILL NOT stand idly by while individuals declare the word and gospel of the Lord to be of the devil! Having seen the KJVO arguments ad nauseum, I will stand firm to this position unless the clouds recede like a scroll and a voice from heaven tells me otherwise.
NOTE: I have no problem with someone preferring the KJV. My problem is when someone tells me that the word of God I read is of the devil. Whenever this happens, I am deeply offended. I cannot remedy this kind of division without the other party changing his or her mind.
So, when you said "I bought an AV 1611 replica for defending myself against KJVO attack and also for comic relief amongst my college friends." You were not telling the truth regarding the "comic relief?"
I personally like my Bibles, Having several gives you more than one way to look at it.
Imagine a box it's just a box , but imagine that box in a 3-d view it becomes alive. Same with your Bible and Biblical knowledge. Sometimes you have to just .......... Think outside the box
So, when you said "I bought an AV 1611 replica for defending myself against KJVO attack and also for comic relief amongst my college friends." You were not telling the truth regarding the "comic relief?" </font>[/QUOTE]I was telling the truth, and here's how. The solution is very similar to a bit of basic psychology in the realm of classical conditioning.
In this case, my college friends will be the subjects. The KJVO attack is the unconditioned stimulus (US). From my observations, whenever confronted with KJVO propaganda, my college friends immediately burst into laughter. Therefore, I can establish for the purposes of this discourse that laughter is the unconditioned response (UR).
Now we know that the "AV 1611" is very closely associated with the KJVO movement. "AV 1611" effectually becomes a conditioned stimulus (CS) because of its relationship to the KJVO propaganda. The CS then triggers the conditioned response (CR) which is identical to the UR.
Therefore, all I must do is to show my friends a copy of my 1611 replica (introducing the CS), and I will trigger laughter (causing the CR).
Ergo, I am not mocking the KJV. I am merely using a copy of it to evoke a response caused initially by KJVO propaganda. My beef is with the propaganda, not the KJV itself.
Amen, Brother StefanM -- Preach it!
I came to the same conclusion.
The Bible (including even the NIV, defamed
in another topic) should never be mocked.
One should feel free to mock those
who think only and only one brand of the King
James Versions is "inerrant" and is
the only Written Word of God that God was
capable of making in English and their
So, you use a copy of the bible to evoke laughter from your "friends?" You are, therefore, conditioning them to laugh at the bible? For what purpose would a Christian ever condition others to laugh at the bible?
No, I am not conditioning them to laugh at the Bible.
The KJVO propagandists cause my friends to laugh at their arguments, which are very closely associated with "AV 1611." THEY condition the association between the two. All I provide is the conditioned stimulus, which evokes a reaction originally caused by the propaganda. They are not laughing at the Bible; they are laughing because they are reminded of the KJVO propaganda associated with the 1611 edition of the KJV.
Allow me to illustrate.
The situation is somewhat like this:
Copy of the AV 1611 is introduced --> Said Bible immediately reminds them of the KJVO propaganda--> the recollection of the propaganda causes laughter
They may not all consciously realize all these steps, but that is basically why they laugh, not at the scripture, and here's why.
I could hand them a copy of the NASB--no reaction.
I could hand them a copy of the KJV 1769--no reaction.
I could hand them a copy of the NRSV--no reaction.
I could hand them a copy of the NIV--no reaction.
Need I go on?
The point is that they are not laughing at the scripture; the underlying cause of the laughter is the association (that I DID NOT make) with the AV 1611 and the propagandists.
Skanwmatos, You've been extremely antagonistic toward me. I've explained myself several times now, and I hope that this last explanation will be sufficient. I assure you, as your brother in Christ, that I have immense respect for the scriptures, but I will not apologize for vehemently disagreeing with the KJVO crowd and poking fun at what I see as a thoroughly illogical and unnecessary position.
If you have an axe to grind, I would calmly suggest that you pursue doing so by opposing those who would have us all read a Bible that many of us could not understand and who condemn the word of God in the NIV, NASB, and other versions as being of the devil.
Someone earlier indicated that "hate" can mean "love less" by citing certain Scripture passages. That definition might fit in those instances, but "hate" isn't commonly defined that way today. If it were, we would all be guilty of hate, since all of us favor one version (or several of them) over others. More to the point, there is no animosity in my heart for the KJV. I was raised with it and still use it, although not exclusively.
Actually Skan does the remedy. I think it would
be enough that Skan apologizes. A publick
appolgy would be best, as the shortfall was
This note constitutes a "warning" under
the meaning of the following scriputre:
Titus 3 3:10 (HCSB = Holman Christian Standard Bible);
Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,