Reasonable or Wrong?

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  1. Alcott

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    This is a simple occasion that many of us have surely gone through, in other matters if not in sports. I bought 2 tickets to the New Orleans Bowl in November after North Texas clinched their conference championship. My friend, who is the alumnus of UNT, had told me she would like to go, but didn't tell me specifically to buy her ticket. It turned out she could not go, so I made the trip this week myself. Since she had not requested the ticket, I was not going to try to put the bite on her for it. So at the Superdome before the game, I looked around for buyers, but no one seemed to have interest except maybe a few obvious scalpers, who I knew would try to offer about $2.50 for the $40 ticket. After a half hour I was about to give it up and just take the loss, when a man walked by holding up his index finger. I rapidly walked after him, and asked if he was looking for a ticket. He said "Yes, I need ONE." I told him, "I've got one in Section 139 for $40 face value." He laughed and "No." I said "$30." He said, "No, I was going to pay about $20 to a scalper for a $10 ticket." I said, "Deal," and sold him my extra ticket for $20. Not bad, since I was at that time walking toward the entrance writing if off in my mind as a loss.

    Then driving back last evening, I was approaching Shreveport, and I got the idea of going to one of the casinos there to invest just $5 to see if I could recover the lost $20. I went into the Boomtown Casino, looked around for quarter slot machines-- which were hard to find-- and found one and started playing. I spun on single (25 cent) tokens at first, until a couple of good hits got the total up to 56. Then I started hitting the "Play 3 tokens" button, and on just the 2nd or 3rd try, I hit a good one that put the total to $32.25. That was it-- I did it, so I quit and got back on the road for the long drive through Texas.

    So... first off, was it wrong to lurk around trying to sell the ticket?, since the resale of tickets around the stadium is forbidden; so says the continuous announcement heard heard near the gates, and in spite of the fact that the one I sold it to was soliciting, and I just wanted some reimbursement? And second, is it wrong in this or any case to take a break from a long drive and to stop at a casino and put a limit on how much you will invest in trying to recover a small loss?
     
  2. Lori

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    Well it might not have been wise to try to sell the ticket since tktmaster frowns on that kind of thing.

    As for going into a casino you had to gamble and it paid off for ya...sorta. I kinda look at all the stuff I have and money I have and think of it all as a loan from God. Would He want me to use that loan to glorify him, or use it just on me for my comfort. I believe all we have in this world is on loan to us from Him. Would you use a loan your mom gave you for something on what it might not have been intended for?

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    Alcott, you could have done a lot worse things with the money. In a moment of fleshly weakness, you made a bad decision which caused you to commit a sin (I am assuming we are in agreement that gambling is a sin). But, I get your point....was it a greater sin than trying to recoup your ticket money by scalping a ticket? Most of us Christians would not have a second thought about scalping a ticket, but we would rather be anathema than to walk into a casino. Ain't we strange creatures?
     
  4. Alcott

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    Am I supposed to pity ticketmaster for that, or what? They have cornered so much of the business of tickets available to the public, putting that extra charge on every seat, supposedly because the stadiums or schools themselves wished to be relieved of so much ticket selling. So we pay more for tickets because an outside party ramrodded in and took that part over. And now they frown because someone wants some reimbusement on a purchased ticket that cannot be used by the one it was intended for. :}:}:]

    You can look at it that way, if you choose. God did not designate any purpose on the money I used to first buy the tickets, or half-price I got back when I sold the extra. Whether a football is an evil thing to spend money on may be a different question; but I don't think it is. And risking $5 to get back the rest of the cost is an investment. It was more likely I would not get it back, but I did. And God neither helped nor hindered on that, I am quite sure. But anyway, if He wanted me to have $40 that was not wasted, I have it.

    I'm not at all sure about that. Maybe most Christians would think little about "scalping" a ticket to someone away from the ballpark or on the web, but one thing I don't like about doing that is putting myself right there among crooks and con artists lurking in or near stadiums saying "Need tickets? No? Got any to sell?..." But most Christians I know admit (if asked) that they do go into casinos, at least "to look," when they go to gambling towns, like Vegas, Reno, Shreveport, Biloxi,...
     
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    so are you asking us if you were wrong or just attempting to defend yourself if anyone says you were wrong??? I guess I'm confused here as to what your post was about since you didn't seem to like the answers given??
     
  6. Aaron

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    Alcott: The poster child for "The Ends Justify the Means" group!
     
  7. Alcott

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    Aaron: The fruitcake of the Arrogance Justifies the Stupidity task force.

    Reading the subjects under this "General.." topic, most of them are hypothetical-- the qualifications of elders and deacons, the 'meaning' of biblical marriage, should a well-known person be believed, et al. The better subjects are derived from personal experiences-- the the Christian with the non-Christian roommate, the grandmother who gives too many presents against the parents' will, et al. This is just another of the latter type. And rebutting answers is just part of debate.
     
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    Alcott,

    It looks like a series of questionable decisions to me.

    I think our behaviour is to above reproach.

    You asked for opinions, so please don't be offended. I really can't see Christ either trying to scalp a ticket or trying to recoup His loses at a casino.

    And no - if I were in those cities listed I really can't imagine even looking in the casinos.

    I am no holier than anyone else - my spiritual weakness is a constant burden - but you asked for views on a particular situation and that is what I have tried to give.
     
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    Selling a ticket to someone who wanted to go for less than face value, I would personally find that an acceptable thing to do, Ticketmaster's opinion not withstanding. I'll get on a soapbox if we start talking about people who buy tickets just to scalp them. Can never get good seats...grumble...grumble...anymore.

    Stopping at the casino...Stopping to take a break and spending 5 bucks to entertain yourself in the process. I just have a hard time faulting that. I look at gambling sort of the way I look at alcohol. A small amount, in moderation, seems OK. I used to not think this way. I thought any gambling would be wrong. Back in March, I went to Tahoe for my honeymoon. We stayed in a csino because we could get a good deal. On the way to the slopes each morning I would pass people on their way to the actual casino. I thought, Here I am spending $50 on lift tickets and another $30 on skis, all for my own entertainment. Would there really be any difference if I took that same money and played slots all day for my entertainment? Though it would not be enjoyable to me, I cannot see the difference. If you spent money you could not afford to lose, went over your self-imposed limit, or did other foolish things, then you would be getting out of the moderation category. But that would be true, too, of buying worldly things you cannot afford or other wasting of what we are given.

    So, I would not feel bad.
     
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    If you are feeling guilty about it, then it was definately something out of your comfort zone. Did you think you might feel guilty before you did these things? If so, you shouldn't have went against that feeling.
     
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    I am going to say the truth here and not debate it. The fact is you asked for everyone's opinion. You don't have to defend yourself. But they have a right to their opinion. Myself I don't ask many questions because it sometimes hurts to hear the truth. Which I think alot of us could say is true. I just want to give you a couple of questions to think about.
    1. Who gave you the money to begin with to buy those tickets?
    2. Who gives you your job to go to work at everyday?
    3. Who took you to that game safely to begin with?
    4. Who provided the gas and the car to get to the game?
    5. Who gave you the good health on that day to get there?

    If any of your answers were God than I think you know the answer to your own question. Don't try to ease your conscience just ask for forgiveness.
     
  12. Lori

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    Just so you know my stance...I don't pitty Ticketmaster if they lose a little *very little* to a scalper. I only mentioned that they frown on it as something not to do because if they were to have caught you, they would have fined you or something else...whatever they do when they find people doing that sort of thing.

    I don't know that I'd be interested in scalping to recover my $$ anyways since

    1)I don't go to many concerts - the ones I've been fortunate enough to go to the tks have been free or very little cost to moi, =o)

    2)I think I would have just tried to give the tks away.

    As for casinos yes I have been to a few and have gambled, but am thinking now that it's not for me, not my bag as it were. I'd still like to go to Vegas to see the pretty twinklies tho and maybe catch the circus/rides. =o)

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    I'm wondering where we get the idea that gambling is a sin. Can anyone so me Scripture that says so (and please don't site the money changers at the temple; that was usury, not gambling--there's a difference)?

    I know some people gamble away their homes, life savings, etc. but does that make all gambling for everyone wrong?
     
  14. Alcott

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    1. Who gave you the money to begin with to buy those tickets?

    I don't think anyone "gave" it to me. The money I have is earned by working for an employer and through investments.

    2. Who gives you your job to go to work at everyday?

    No one. I entered into a verbal contract with a corporation which had need of a certain service which I agreed to perform in return for certain compensation. And fortunately it's not "every day."

    3. Who took you to that game safely to begin with?

    I, my car, and my feet did.

    4. Who provided the gas and the car to get to the game?

    I did. That is, I bought them; didn't make them myself.

    5. Who gave you the good health on that day to get there?

    I don't think anyone did. I wasn't sick, but my feet and back hurt from running requested errands from someone who knew I was staying near the French Quarter. I ignored that and went anyway.

    If any of your answers were God than I think you know the answer to your own question.

    The answers I gave above are not simply crack answers; the fact is, I don't think if I quit working and lived lazily, didn't check and service my car, et al, that means of living or traveling would still be "given" or "provided."

    The older I get, the more I seem to be getting like "Charlie Anderson," Jimmy Stewart's character in one of my favorite movies, Shenandoah. At the opening, he, a widowed farmer with a large family, is seated at the big dinner table, and he prays: "Lord, we cleared this land; we plowed it, sowed it, harvested it; we cooked the harvest. It wouldn't be here and we wouldn't be eating it if we hadn't done it all ourselves. We worked dog-bone hard for every crumb and morsel. But we thank you just the same anyway, Lord, for this food we're about to eat.A-men."
     
  15. Dr. Bob

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    The biggest lapse in judgment was rooting for North Texas in a bowl game.

    It is not a sin to buy a ticket and sell it/give it/whatever. Matter of fact, that sounds like shrewd business to me.

    Now gambling is NOT a shewd business dealing. It is total waste of money (or at least RISK to the odd duck like you who wins and then walks away). And because you DID win, you will probably stop by again and again. And ultimately everyone loses.
     
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    I gambled for gas money going through Atlantic City once. I had $5 and needed $20. Figured the $5 would do me no good alone, so losing it wasn't a big deal. I put it on a game of blackjack, got my money and left, much to the anger of the other players. LOL I walked away FAST!
    Given the same circumstances now I'd be less likely to do so. Losing even a penny or dime would go to directly and knowingly supporting the types of activities available and encouraged in casino settings, and that's not good.
    That said, I used to LOVE the whole casino scene! Pretty buildings, cheap food, live entertainment, risk, fun. But as a Christian, staying away from such places is a good thing, as they scream out temptation! That may not be your weakness, but there's really no point testing it to see, or putting yourself in a position to find out your limits.
    So while I don't think it was some horrid decision on your part or mine, both of us used poor judgment and placed ourselves in situations where the potential for temptation was much higher than normal, thus should be frowned on.

    As far as your ticket, it would have been dumb to toss it and waste your money.

    Gina
     
  17. dianetavegia

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    Proverbs 28:19-22 - "He that tilleth his land shall have plenty of bread: but he that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough. A faithful man shall abound with blessings: but he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent. To have respect of persons is not good: for a piece of bread that man will transgress. He that hasteth to be rich hath an evil eye, and considereth not that poverty shall come upon him."

    Proverbs 13:11 - "Wealth gotten by vanity shall be diminished: but he that gathereth by labour shall increase."

    1 Timothy 6:6-11 - "But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness."

    Proverbs 20:21 - "An inheritance may be gotten hastily at the beginning; but the end thereof shall not be blessed."
     
  18. delly

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    I am reminded of my sister-in-law who went with her sister to a casino in Tunica, Miss. last year. The well to do sister gave my sister in law $500 to gamble with. She won $1,000 so she now had $1,500, BUT, instead of taking that money and quiting, she kept playing and finally lost it all. She went in with $500 and came away with nothing. If she had stopped when she had the $1,500, she could have paid her sister back and had $1,000 for herself or her sister might have let her keep it all. But, she just couldn't quit until it was all gone.

    I work hard for the living God has provided me. I'm sure he wouldn't be please if I acted stupidly or irresponsibly with it. If you lose, what do you have? A pocket full of lint. I don't have much money, and I sure ain't giving any of it away to a casino.
     

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