Regeneration, Prior to? IS? After "new birth"

Is Peter wrong? </font>[/QUOTE]Of course Peter is right. Two translations I checked (ESV and HCSB) said "through the word of God", but KJV seems to agree with yours ("by the word of God"). Regeneration is the new birth, by the Holy Spirit, by means of the word of God. I suppose you'll disagree, and that's OK.

 

Brethren,

Here is my thoughts on the text

3 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 ¶ For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.


Now in you translation it speaks of the word of GOd that lives and endures, hte KJV is liveth and abideth forever.

Now abide to means is that which has life. For reference please read john 13. It is true that the scripture will endure forever. I beleive that the new birth is instintaneous and is by Jesus Christ the Word of God. Please read John 3:8, JOhn 5:25-29, John 6:63. It is the voice of God that calls teh dead to life (john 11:43 and lazurus) not just the words. Heb 11:3 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God. Now scripture did not perform this action. Immediatly things were created.

If the words is all that is needed to create or give life, then I should be able to go outside at 3 AM and cause light to shine out of darkness.

heb 4:12-13 (read verse 13 and it says "in his [Word of God] sight

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Vs 24 he states all flesh is like grass and in verse 25 states but so there is a teaching hear of the somemthing that is not flesh i.e. the Spirit who inspired men to write scripture.

in Verse 25 this word endureth not abideth. Meaning this, that the scipture endures forever.

So you born again of incorrubtable seed (ijo 3:9) which was a act of imparting a creation by the Word of God [Christ] and this word of truth the gospel of about your salvation (eph 1:13-14) that Christ paid for, is preached to you.

Also the Holy Ghost quickens or makes alive, he doesn't come in and entice. Light can't fellowship with darkness, if the Holy Ghost is present you are already born again. He who has the Spirit are already sons.

I hope that at the least I have shown that there is more than one word of God spoken of in the scriptures.

hope this helps.

 

not all men have faith...

2Th 3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

Faith is a gift, and this is given in regeneration. 2nd Pe 1:1-2 is like precious faith that is obtained by grace. Once a person is born of the Spirit then they have the fruit of the Spirit and faith is a fruit of the Spirit. (gal 5:22-23)

So to a person that has already been born again they have faith (the gift) and when they hear the gospel it testifies to their heart. If they are so blessed and confess Christ excersing the faith given in regenation. By confessing Christ you renounce your works and you delivered [saved] from going about establishing your own righteousness (rom 10:3).

Wes what does your bible say in 2th 3:2?

Thanks, I hope this helps

 

Regeneration is the same as being born again, faith is given at the same time. It is when one's heart is change that true faith sets in.

 

the idea that regeneration results in faith is obviously erroneous. We actually receive new life as a result of faith. Unless new life and regeneration are different, then faith results in regeneration.

 

And how is that possible? Where does the faith come from? Faith is given by God. Eph. 2:8 speaks of the giving of that faith. I can have no faith on my own. If I try to muster up the faith to believe in Christ, then I am the one doing it. It then becomes works.

 

"Regeneration"- live again- is the new birth.

 

Hi Pastorjeff;

Faith is found in the hearing of God's word it is not the gift in Eph 2;8, Grace is that gift. Yet our faith is the work of God. It comes about through the workings of the Holy Spirit. It comes through conviction of knowing that you are a sinner and that you have never desevered the Love of Christ.
Being born again is the results of our trust in the words of Christ. You cannot be saved with out faith and you cannot be saved without repentance. Your belief that man is regenerated before faith and repentance is not in scripture but only in your wishfull thinking.
May Christ Shine His Light on us all;
Mike

 

Hi Prophecynut;

If so then you can prove this with scripture. I'd really like to see your proof;
May Christ Shine His Light on us all;
Mike

 

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:8

You dont give God much credit do you.

 

I stated that faith is a gift of God, therefor I can not give it to you for I am not God. Eph 2:8 has a pronoun in it. "that" what does "that" referre to?

 

It can not referre to being saved. pronouns do not link back to verbs. Go back with a clean slate and link the Pronouns to their corresponding nouns. You will find "that" and "it" are pronouns for the same noun. Do they link to "grace" or "faith"? These are the only to choices grammatically. These are questions, not an answer. Come to the answer from the text, not pre-interpretational bias.