Restoring Public Order

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  1. Dragoon68

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    Here's an article from yesterday continuing to report on-going military operations to help restore public order in the New Orleans area.

    This, especially at first, is not an easy job. Let's give these troops our public support and thanks for helping to restore public order in a situation beyond the ability of local law enforcement. Many, if not all these troops, have also been to Iraq in recent times. I promise you facing a overwhelming crowd of angry, and potentially violent, people takes courage, calmness, and discipline. It's easy to talk about but damn hard to do.
     
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    The troops do great. [​IMG]

    It the politicians and those they have placed in positions of authority and are calling the shots in the federal government that stink.
     
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    That's what I have been trying to say all along Ken.
     
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    Dragoon, [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    With respect to this issue, it seems the responsible persons at the state and federal level issued the necessary orders to send in National Guard troops from the begining and many more as soon as it was determined they were needed because of the unexpected violence.

    I know some for sure they were already on site by Tuesday or Wednesday because one was shot on Wednesday by one of the "refugees" and then the others apprehended the one that shot him. I guess a "mob" of around 10,000 people with some embedded violent characters was a bit difficult for the initial 70 or so to handle even being SRT qualified. I'd be inclined to seek some additional backup myself.

    It's taken another day or two to increase the troop strength and it's still being increased to make sure enough are available to handle the situation.

    The people responding to this disaster weren't expecting to have to fight off a bunch of "bad guys" before they could render aid.
     
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    I don't understand the people who shot the relief workers and the troops. There must be some kind of twisted rationale for it, but I just can't come up with anything. Even "evil" doesn't really cover it.

    I'm sure the vast majority of the refugees are relieved and grateful to see the troops (happy isn't exactly the right word for the terrible circumstances).
     
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    Under these conditions, anybody firing at the "authorities" ought to be shot right then!!

    The standing order to the police should be if you witness the act, shoot to kill!

    Harsh? Yer dern tootin! But I'm sick of good people getting wounded or killed just because this bleeding heart society decides that these killers "have their rights".

    As far as I'm concerned, they give up those rights when they assault the rights of somebody else!

    And also, these bleeding hearts need to get through their head that "RIGHTS" also carry "RESPONSIBILITIES"!!!!!!
     
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    Has anyone thought that there might be real terrorists in New Orleans taking advantage of the situation.
     
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    Give me a BREAK!!!!
     
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    OldRegular

    That conjecture deserves an apology or a real source.
     
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    JWP,

    The standing order to the police should be if you witness the act, shoot to kill!

    Amen. Personally, I think there should be NG troops on rooftops with sniper rifles taking out looters (especially those not taking food, but just "stuff"). Maybe a little excessive but I'll bet the looting would drop off big time!


    El Guero,

    That conjecture deserves an apology or a real source.

    Why is it out of line to wonder this? I've been worried the last few days that this would be an ideal situation for terrorists to take advantage of. What is a "real source"? Are only "real sources" allowed to voice such concerns? I certainly don't think any of what we've seen have been terrorist acts, and I don't even know what a terrorist might do except, God forbid, fly an airliner into the Astrodome, but it is not foolhardy or irresponsible to have such a concern.
     
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    I think you miss what a hurricane is.

    A hurricane is an ACT OF GOD.

    Could terrorists have dreamed of taking advantage of the situation? Possibly, but doubtful.

    BUT, the terrorists would have been as dazed, confused, and crazed as everyone else in New Orleans.
     
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    Here's some insight into when and how order was restored in the New Orleans Convention Center and why it took a few days to get that accomplished.

    Hat's off to these professional soldiers for pulling this off without having to kill or injure anyone. It's not an easy accomplishment. I'll bet the peaceful folks among all those in the Convention Center were very glad to see them.

    We all wish the lawlessness there had never happened but it did and the responsibility for it rests squarely with those that committed the violence. Hopefully, if it's possible, they can be identified and prosecuted for their crimes. Realistically, that will be very difficult.
     
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    EG,

    A hurricane is an ACT OF GOD.

    Of course, I understand that. I'm not saying the terrorists caused the hurricane, only that sitting back somewhere in their little caves or roach-holes, they can't miss the opportunity this creates for sowing even MORE despair and destruction in an already desperate situation, and it's not unreasonable to be concerned that they might be looking at such. No, it should not be the focus of our response to the hurricane, but someone should be looking at this possibility.
     
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    I agree with you that this was a natural disaster and that, most likely, none of the subsequent levee system failures were caused by any deliberate acts of man either by mischievious, criminal, or terroristic behavior. Terrorist involvement in something like this seems very unlikely because, if nothing else, the natural disaster would overshadow and rob them of their primary goals. Terrorist want attention and credit for what they do. They want people to fear them. On the other hand, all possibilities should be considered even if just to remain alert. Adding misery upon misery is not beyond evil minds sworn to destroy us.
     
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    Dragoon,

    Terrorist involvement in something like this seems very unlikely because, if nothing else, the natural disaster would overshadow and rob them of their primary goals. Terrorist want attention and credit for what they do. They want people to fear them. On the other hand, all possibilities should be considered even if just to remain alert. Adding misery upon misery is not beyond evil minds sworn to destroy us.

    Good point. Even if they did something to heighten the despair, it still might not draw the focus of attention, which is apparently what they seek. And, yes, remaining alert is really more of what I was thinking of, not to divert our own attention from the obviously more immediate and terribly pressing problems faced there now.
     
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    Why an apology? An apology to whom? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    Whose honor are you defending here, the terrorists? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    Furthermore, 50% or more of the stuff posted on this Forum is conjecture. :D :D
     
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    They refused to give fresh water to "undesirables"? That doesn't seem right....
     
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    Who used the term "undesirables"? I haven't heard this.
     

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