19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. This text is jerked out of context and perverted by Arminians. Simple abc's of hermeneutics exposes their use of it as complete perversion. 1. Who is Jesus speaking to? The letter is addressed to a church not the world The preceding verse proves he is speaking to those he will "chasten" and he does not "chasten" lost people - Heb. 12:5-10. He is speaking to those who already have "ears to hear" not those lost world The question is can truly saved people be out of fellowship with Christ or must the be saved and lost, saved and lost every time they lose fellowship???? He is speaking to the "churches" not the lost world. 2. What is the Offer? The offer is not them coming to christ in faith but Christ coming to them to restore broken fellowship - "sup with him and he with me." Salvation would be them coming to Christ but this is about Christ coming to them. 3. The Question The question is whether those in need of chasten are lost as these are subjects of chastening - Rev. 3:20 The question is whether you can be saved but out of fellowship with Christ? The question is whether those subject to chastening are out of fellowship with Christ and if not then why chastening and if so then does Christ chasten lost people?