Revelation 4:1 - Apostle John "Raptured"

Can you provide a Scripture reference for that statement?

 

Can you provide a Scripture reference justifying belief in a so-called pre-trib rapture? I can provide Scripture that teaches a General Resurrection and a General Judgment and have many times. Why is it that you dispensationalists refuse to believe Scripture?

 

Lazarus died again. He did not have a resurrection body. Are you saying that all those resurrected when Jesus Christ returns will die again? So He really did not conquer death?

 

The First Resurrection was that of Jesus Christ. Those who have part in the First Resurrection are the "true believers"!!!!

 

There is no Scriptural basis for your statement. It is simply the figment of a vivid imagination!

 

General resurrection means ALL! The resurrection of all the dead is clearly taught in John 5:28, 28.

John 5:28, 29 KJV
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Very straight forward Scripture that can be taken at "face value" using Ryrie's term for literal interpretation.

 

Revelation 20 does not speak of Christ's resurrection, but that of Tribulation Martyrs.

If a serious discussion is to be had, more than one-line denials must be presented.

I have done at this point several posts with scriptural presentation of why I believe in a pre-trib rapture. The responses have, in large part, been like this one.

Why not address the presentation and content of the scripture I have posted, as well as the commentary provided?

God bless.

 

Darrell C

Your posts are very long and I am not going to take the time to refute every point. Wish I had that time but I don't!

You have yet to produce any Scripture teaching a so-called pre-trib rapture that has not been filtered through dispensational error.

 

You can make time. Focus on one post, devote some time to responding to it.

An easy way to do this, OR, is to hit the quote button, simply put one portion in quotes at a time, insert your answer below, copy the rest, hit delete, then post the portion you have just answered.

For the record, I have no problem with those that deny a pre-trib rapture. I have great respect for some that defend their positions against it. It is just a fascinating discussion, and one that I enjoy.

It is becuase of discussions like these that I went from an acceptance of this doctrine as it was taught in the churches I attended, to a personal belief in a pre-trib rapture. The arguments against really lead to the conclusion that this is a credible belief.

In the posts I have done so far, I have addressed some key issues that must be resolved, such as our understanding of the "First" Resurrection, resurrection in general, and events which Christ describes in Matthew 24-25 and Luke 17.

We will not come to conclusions without a full examination of all related material, which is why a discussion of the Rapture is usually...very long. Because there is so much to consider before making conclusions.

Okay, I am out of time. If you would just take a look at what has been discussed so far, and I mean give it some consideration, then present your response, it can lead to a great discussion, one that can only lead to edification, though we might disagree who is edified...lol.

But really, all can be edified in discussing God's word. All can be challenged in their position. This is one of the great things about this particular discussion.

God bless.

 

Says nothing about the so-called pre-trib "rapture", just the promise of the resurrection for the believer, consistent with John 5:28, 29.

Says nothing about the so-called pre-trib "rapture", just the promise of the resurrection for the believer, consistent with John 5:28, 29.

Says nothing about the so-called pre-trib "rapture", just the promise of the resurrection for the believer, consistent with John 5:28, 29.

Says nothing about the so-called pre-trib "rapture", just the promise of the resurrection for the believer, consistent with John 5:28, 29.

Sorry beameup! I did not see a single mention of the Gentile believer in the above Scripture.

I did not see any restrictions in the above Scripture on those who were resurrected just the promise of the resurrection for the believer, consistent with John 5:28, 29.
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Scripture knows nothing of the Gentile Bride of Jesus Christ. I assume that is part of your heretical hyper-dispensationalism.

You would have people believe that Jews who are saved, not being Gentiles, are not part of the Church.

You would have people believe that the Samaritans who were saved following by hearing Jesus Christ, and not by the mythical gospel of Paul, are not part of the Church.

You would have people believe that those Romans saved following the preaching of the Apostle Peter, and not by the mythical gospel of Paul, are not part of the Church!

You would have people believe that only the mythical gospel of Paul is valid.

All that is pathetic and tragic error at best and heresy at worst.

 

Since it is not there don't hold your breath!:laugh::wavey::laugh::wavey:

 

Actually beameup as a believer I am a Spiritual Jew and you are borderline close to questioning my salvation.:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey: