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Rick Warren needs money

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Bro. Curtis, Dec 31, 2009.

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  1. SaggyWoman

    SaggyWoman Active Member

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    What is that line from the Godfather that I have never seen...go to the mattresses?
     
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  2. Bro. Curtis

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    Now I'm a member of the leftist media ?

    :laugh:

    You folks......

    And yes, Ann. A small church being 4 digits in the red would indicate problems in the management.

    Seems like this is a big deal. At least RW thinks so.
     
    #62 Bro. Curtis, Jan 1, 2010
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    Why? What kind of problems? What about when 10% of your congregation was out of work and no longer able to give their tithe suddenly? How do you make that up?

    Now, I personally do think that every church should have a savings "emergency" fund of some sort to be able to fall back on in emergencies but things occur. We can't foresee every possible scenerio and sometimes things happen. Honestly, most churches ALWAYS operate in the red due to debt.
     
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  4. Bro. Curtis

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    You either preach people out, or you fold.

    You guys are making me out to be some bad guy. I apologize to nobody. I hate it when preachers beg for money.

    These guys didn't go almost a million dollars in the red overnight. I refuse to believe it.
     
    #64 Bro. Curtis, Jan 1, 2010
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    I do not know about you being a bad guy but you did seem to place the entire burden on RW. That church has been around a while and is just now suffering from something like this. There may have been mismanagement but it is not a given.
     
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    Saddleback's annual budget is about $21 million. That means that their monthly budget is about $1.75 million. $900,000 is about 2 weeks' worth of budget. It doesn't necessarily take that long to be short by that amount.
     
    #66 annsni, Jan 1, 2010
  7. Mexdeaf

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    I have known churches in small towns that suffered budget setbacks due to the closure of a major employer in the area. That's not the pastor's fault. California is hurting big time economically.

    If you don't like RW, that's fine, but don't go around making up stories. It's not ethical.
     
    #67 Mexdeaf, Jan 2, 2010
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    Let's see, with 80,000 members... at only $10 a person in tithes, that is $800,000 a week!...


    ONLY $10 a person.... at 10 percent... that means the people would be pulling in only $100 a week in salary!...

    The average family here in WV makes around $300 a week...

    Ann is right, if the church there had a couple bad weeks of giving it wouldn't have taken long to get the $900,000 shortfall...

    It is not managements fault if the members don't give.. it is the people in the pews fault....

    OR if they are losing their jobs, it is the Government's fault....

    They do probably need to reassess their budget for this yr though... and if they fail to do that, then it would be management's fault...
     
    #68 tinytim, Jan 2, 2010
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    That info only strengthens my argument. If this is no problem, why the public solicitation of funds ?
     
    #69 Bro. Curtis, Jan 2, 2010
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    I wasn't aware it was public solicitation.. I thought he sent a letter to the members...

    Was I wrong?
    It wouldn't be the first time...
     
    #70 tinytim, Jan 2, 2010
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    Here is the letter from his website that is is called "Ricks News and Views":

    As you can see, the letter is addressed "Dear Saddleback Family". Of course it gets out in the news because it's Rick Warren but the fact is, he did not send it out as a press release to the general public but to his own congregation.

    Additionally, he posted this just on New Year's Eve but of course this is not reported by the press because it would poke holes in the story:

    Here is where you can see it all: http://www.saddleback.com/blogs/newsandviews/index.html
     
    #71 annsni, Jan 2, 2010
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    I know of a significant church in North Carolina that, due to a snow storm and then ice storm, had to cancel weekend services two weeks in a row a few years ago. Their weekly need was something like $150,000 a week.

    Thus, at the end of January (as it happened), they were suddenly down $250,000 because of the cancelations. They made it up, but the Senior Pastor did send out a communication like this.

    It isn't bad management or fiscal irresponsibility, in these times with this economy every organization has to be flexible. Often we all have to remind the flock of the need for their giving. I don't know of any ministry that hasn't been affected in a similar way.

    Just as a point, even in spite of their need (to my knowledge) Saddleback Church is one of the few (of its size) that hasn't laid off or reduced staff in these times. That is a strong point for leadership. They are a strong ministry, winning people to Christ. I am thankful for this church.
     
    #72 preachinjesus, Jan 2, 2010
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    The AHA! moment:

    BACKGROUND: The cause of our financial shortfall was NOT a management issue but simply by the way Christmas occurred in this year's calendar. After 10 packed Christmas services, and with Christmas Day on Friday, many people were out of town or too tired to come back for weekend services, so the unusually low attendance created an unusually low offering. That is understandable.

    MEDIA: Because our church attracts a lot of attention, the media will undoubtedly report my letter- but only partially, not telling the whole story. It is likely that none of the positive end-of-the-year reports of your service to the community and none of your amazing accomplishments as a church family in 2009 will be reported. They may get some facts wrong or even misjudge our motivations. I know this is frustrating, but don't let it bother you.

    RW is not the mis-managing dummy that some have painted him as. A public apology should be in order, IMHO.
     
    #73 Mexdeaf, Jan 2, 2010
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    I have never said anything for which I need to apologize. I'll take an apology from those putting words into my mouth. But I will not apologize for finding this suspicious, or newsworthy. And the noise of his fans is more than a little creepy, I may add.
     
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    Have any of you'se written U.P.I. and told them this article ain't newsworthy ?
     
    #75 Bro. Curtis, Jan 2, 2010
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    The only thing I am a fan of is fairness amongst the brethren. And I think it is highly unfair to call it "suspicious".

    But you have every right to be wrong in your assumptions.
     
    #77 Mexdeaf, Jan 2, 2010
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    some on this thread insinuated mismanagement of funds by rw. now they should take responsibility for it, instead of denying it.
     
    #78 donnA, Jan 2, 2010
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    I admit that I am suspicious, and have never tried to hide that. Is that a good enough admission for ya ?

    And no, the FOXNews story did not quell anything. I did notice it was him who asked for the money, and it was him that woudn't specify how much was raised.
     
    #79 Bro. Curtis, Jan 2, 2010
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    I noticed Mark Driscoll is going to speak at RW's conference. That could fill up another thread......
     
    #80 Bro. Curtis, Jan 2, 2010
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