Right Islam vs. Wrong Islam

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  1. KenH

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    Ken,

    Very interesting article. Do you believe that AQ is seeking technology for a nuclear weapon to detonate within the U.S. or that they would so so if they had it?
     
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    Al Qaeda is made up of a bunch of bad folks and I would not put it past them to do harm anywhere, any time, to anybody using whatever was on hand to use.

    You are a really fast reader, ftr. [​IMG]
     
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    Actually, I'm a pretty slow reader but I'm fairly familiar with Wahhabi'ism so I skimmed over most of the first half and honestly had not yet read the last half (recommendations), which I've now done.

    The question I raised was actually to get back to the NSA wiretap issue and my point that it is a national security and not a law enforcement issue. I understand your point, though, about simply following the law, and appreciate the honesty of your earlier qualification that if the law was broken, there must be accountability. My point is that when confronted with such a palpably evil, rabidly fanatic, and deadly enemy, we should avail ourselves of such tools, even cutting some slack for violation of safeguards if it increases the chances of catching such vermin and stopping such attacks.
     
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    I appreciate your comments, ftr. I would also be interested in your comments about the column that I linked to begin this thread. [​IMG]
     
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    Ken,

    Touche'. I was using it as a nice segue back to your earlier posts.

    The short answer, in addition to promoting moderate Islam (which is quite silent, BTW; timid souls we aren't getting much support from at the moment), is to locate and DESTROY the enemy.

    Most of it is a bunch of liberal pipedream crap:

    (1) Human dignity. Great. Yes, it's there. So what exactly do we do with it to combat this evil?

    (2) "the ability to mobilize immense resources to bring to bear on this problem, once it is identified and a global commitment is made to solve it". What resources do we use exactly and how do we (a) mobilize them and (b) bring them to bear on anything?

    (3) "the ability to leverage resources by supporting individuals and organizations that truly embrace a peaceful and tolerant Islam" Again, they're pretty silent. And how do we turn that warm embrace into something to counter these monsters?

    (4) "nearly 1,400 years of Islamic traditions and spirituality, which are inimical to fundamentalist ideology" They haven't been ALL hugs and kisses until the Wahhabi's showed up.

    (6) "the power of the feminine spirit" Give me a break.

    (8) "the ability to harness networks of Islamic schools to propagate a peaceful and tolerant Islam" Ability? As demonstrated by what? The only ones who have shown such ability are the fanatics who are using those schools. And how will that be turned around?

    (9) "the natural tendency of like-minded people to work together when alerted to a common danger" Time for a group hug before we go teach the bad guys about tolerance.

    Numbers eleven (counter ideology based on moderate sects) and fifteen (the nation-state) are the only ones of the remainders that make any sense. That's nation-state, as in the U.S. As in the U.S. locating and KILLING the enemy.


    Pardon me if I'm not enthralled at this, mostly puffy, excuse for a strategy.
     
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    The author of this piece has a nickname, Gus Dur.
    Born of a wealthy family, he was President of Indonesia for a very short time. After being run out of the Royal Palace on a rail for charges of corruption, etc., he sought refuge for medical treatment in the US at Johns Hopkins, and it was unsure if or when he would ever go back to his country.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1356392.stm

    Seems, as President, he didn't do too much to address human rights abuses, according to HRW.

    http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2001/07/27/indone425.htm

    As President, he didn't do too much to help Christian persecution, either, except to say forced Christian conversion to Islam is "not right."

    A partial list of Christian persecution under Gus Dur's Presidency from Persecution.org.

    http://www.persecution.org/Countries/indonesia.html

    Sorry, Ken, FTR is right. It's meant to tickle the itching ears of the naive. No kumbaya from me.
     
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    Matthew 7:[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    [16] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    [17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    [18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    [19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    [20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
     

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