Roman 9 Easy Explanation Videos

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  1. DrJamesAch

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    Calvinists often gravitate to Romans 9 and interpret it as applying to individual salvation instead of addressing it as Paul addressed to his kinsmen 'ACCORDING TO THE FLESH"-corporate Israel.

    Dr Jerry Walls,with one of his college graduates, has produced a very simple, down to earth exegesis of the three most misinterpreted passages out of Romans 9 by Calvinists.

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    Thanks for sharing, listened to an enjoyed the first then got distracted listening to the following:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp8rMsOCsvY

    Will listen to the others as well. Thanks and blessings.
     
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    really enjoying these vids. Thanks for the link!
     
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    22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction:
    23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory,
    24 even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? Ro 9
     
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    22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction:
    23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory,
    24 even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? Ro 9
     
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    22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction:
    23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory,
    24 even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? Ro 9
     
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    22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction:
    23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory,
    24 even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? Ro 9
     
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    Thanks!

    In spite of some here who like to repeat themselves, I appreciate your exposure of the evils of Calvinism.
     
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    Why Robert, you don't appreciate exposing the evils of inserting manmade invention into the text of God's word?

    [add] Actually in Jimi's case, he's outright opposing the clear teaching of scripture.
     
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    Before jumping on this guy's bandwagon, maybe it would be helpful to know that he believes in purgatory and has written books on it.

    Go here
     
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    Thank you Amy! :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

    I'd say to his followers; drop him like a hot potato!
     
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    If you'll notice, one of Mr. Walls tactics is to create 2 or more "models" and say "you HAVE to believe one of these", causing you to focus only on what he is teaching you and not on actual truth.

    Pretty slick.
     
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    22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction:
    23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory,
    24 even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? Ro 9
     
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    Romans 9
    For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

    4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

    Revelation 7:
    4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

    5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

    6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

    7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

    8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

    Revelation 3:12
    Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

    Revelation 11:

    And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

    2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

    Revelation 14:1

    And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.


    Revelation 15:3

    And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

    Revelation 16:16

    And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. (which is in Israel)

    Zechariah 14:

    2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

    3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

    4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

    Joel 3:2

    I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

    Jeremiah 32:37

    Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safe.

    Ezekiel 28:25
    Thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob.

    God didn't scatter the Gentiles, He scattered the Jews. So all "Replacement" Theology fails trying to attach these verses to the church.

    Matthew 23

    37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

    38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

    39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

    Romans 10:1
    Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

    Romans 11:1
    I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

    Romans 11:26

    And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
     
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    Amy, do you always agree and align in everything with someone that you find some "other" mutual agreement with? My guess is no.
     
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    There's an ENORMOUS amount of Calvinists on here and popular Calvinists (James White, John Piper, John MacArthur) that read C.S. Lewis, and that's where Jerry Walls got his ideas from which he freely admits. I totally disagree with his view on this, but it's definitely not the Catholic version.

    There's a big difference between quoting certain elements of a person views (I even agree with John Calvin, and Luther on a few things, we are certainly in agreement about the RCC) and RELYING ON THEM AS YOUR FINAL AUTHORITY ON ALL MATTERS OF FAITH AND PRACTICE. Hence the reason that TULIPERS identify themselves and their doctrines as CALVINISM.

    And, I've corresponded with the kid in the video and he is the one doing most of the talking, and he doesn't agree with purgatory of any form. I don't agree with Jerry Walls about purgatory, the KJV, or Arminianism, but Walls is not my FINAL AUTHORITY, and I am not an Arminian, or a Wallite (as opposed to those who call themselves CALVINists).
     
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    Calvin is not the "final authority" for many of us who believe in the Doctrines of Grace, in spite of the attempts of others to paint that as being the case.

    And why is it okay for you to speak approvingly of Walls in spite of his doctrinal peccadilloes, but it is not okay for others (who choose to) to quote Calvin because he was supposedly such a bad guy. Why does Walls get a pass?

    Yeah, here's plenty of hypocrisy on both sides here... :eek:

    My times up- back to work...
     
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    No of course not. But purgatory is a serious matter. If you listen to Walls video that I posted, he doesn't believe that purgatory is a punishment, but rather the final sanctification. That is a clear denial of Christ's sufficient atonement which makes me clean, free from sin, and seated with Christ and and heir of the promises of God. Add to that, there is nothing, absolutely nothing in scripture about a place we go after death to continue the sanctification process. In fact we are told that absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
    So that's a huge divide for me. I question his discernment and his hermeneutical skills. He is also a Methodist/Arminian, who believes you can lose your salvation.

    With all of those huge differences in doctrine, I have zero reason to listen to him.
     
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    You just made my point. Refute Calvinism all you want, but use someone whose doctrines aren't totally messed up. You will have more credibility in doing so.

    It's like trying to justify KJVO by using Peter Ruckman as an authority on the subject.
     
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    6 But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel:
    7 neither, because they are Abraham`s seed, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
    8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed. Ro 9

    26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother.
    27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; Break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: For more are the children of the desolate than of her that hath the husband.
    28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. Gal 4

    22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction:
    23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory,
    24 even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles?
    25 As he saith also in Hosea, I will call that my people, which was not my people; And her beloved, that was not beloved. Ro 9
     

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