I'm probably going to alienate most of the forum, but here goes: There's a lot of "righteous indignation" shown here by some against the RCC, calling it apostate and such. The truth is, Magisterial Protestantism and many other forms of Protestantism, including "Reformed" Baptists, share much in common with the RCC, inasmuch as they are all various forms of Western, Latin Christianity which has not much in common with the earliest churches. All of these groups follow, in varying degrees, some form of Augustinianism which is a combination of part Christian and part pagan beliefs. The only branches of Christianity that have escaped that are the Eastern churches and the Anabaptists. However, since the Eastern churches have followed a non-scriptural, non-early-church hierarchical sacramentalism, the Anabaptists are the ones with the doctrines and practices closest to scripture and the early church. There is some vestige of this strain of Christianity in John Wesley, to the extent that he was influenced by Eastern Christianity. So, the next time anyone reads an excoriation of the RCC by some "purists" who think to have escaped such a horrible expression of Christianity, remember that the one doing the excoriating is in fact a distant cousin of Rome. All of Western (Latin) Christianity has the same views of God, man, sin, and salvation. Oh, there is the battle over sacraments, faith vs. works, etc., but the soteriology springs from the same source. I have discovered a long time ago that I have virtually nothing in common with Western, Latin Christianity; it does not reflect scripture or the early church in belief, teaching, or practice.