Ron Paul: A Man Among Boys at ABC Debate

www.treasurydirect.gov//govt/reports/pd/feddebt/feddebt_ann2007.pdf

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VERY INTERESTING but CHECK them ALL out..........pages 6,17,25,26,27 do a word search for foreign and it will show to whom and how much. Please bear in mind that this is shown in billions of dollars,so when you see for example 2,220 billion dollars that is 2,220,000,000,000,000 dollars!

 

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FOUND IT! Swaimj check this out.....................

http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/hp437.htm

Press releases? I had to dig deep they really had this buried............Hope you can sleep well knowing that you gov't is shooting straight .............(at you ) as well as your great great great grandchildren......

 

BTID,
Thanks for posting this. It confirms what I said earlier. The holdings by foreign countries are investments for them with the intent to turn a profit. They invest here because of the strength of our economy. If they thought we were about to have an economic collapse they would get out.

 

Uhm... Hello. I would let to introduce myself. My name is Jamie and I am a Ron Paul supporter, however I am not into conspiracies.

Would you please retract your statement as not ALL Ron Paul supporters wear these tin caps you believe they do....

Jamie

 

Now now Brother Curtis.. you mean you really want to secure our borders?!?! What a novel idea!

Jamie

 

Ron Paul was a doctor for many years. In that career he could have lost his job or killed a patient if he failed to accurately diagnose and actually address the real problem. The devotion and dedication he demonstrated to each individual patient in the past is much the same as the commitment he shows to each individual American and their rights now. His previous job experience and this devotion has made it impossible for him to dodge diagnosing and addressing real issues even today.

Which is why when he was asked about the gas price problem, instead of engaging in ridiculous political speak, he quoted the Wall Street Journal. The Journal ran an article showing that gas prices weren't rising anywhere else in the world. Only in America. ...............another untruth. We have a daughter living over seas and she would love to only have to pay $3,15 a gal. for gas. By the way, who is Ron Paul?

 

I was in the Navy quite a while, and I do not see your logic. Maybe if we would keep our nose where it doesnt belong in the world, and solve our border problems, we would be better off.

Hey, here is an idea. Only get involved in other countries and kill people if it is in our national interest. Here is another. Take care of our nation first. If we were as worried about the borders, the loss of our industrial base, and the economy as we are about every other country, we would live in a paradise.

 

Are you hopeless!? Or part of the problem...............?
I say part of the problem...:sleeping_2: :sleeping_2: :sleeping_2: :sleeping_
Tell your boss your doin a bang up job on the BB...

 

BTID, I keep asking you questions to try to get you to explain Ron Paul's positions but you blow them off and insult me. Look, if you guys have all the answers to our problems you are doing a terrible job of convincing me or anybody else on the board. This is a discussion board. It is an excellent opportunity for you to give actual reasons why I should vote for your candidate. I'll be sure to read them and so will others. Stop insulting me, talk to me, and you might actually persuade somebody that you are right. I'll be looking to see if you have a change of tone....

 

I believe that Ron Paul has a lot of substanitive positions, at the same time I think the is naieve about the War on Terror. Immediatly withdrawing the troops will embolden the Islamic radicals, and that is a price we can't pay. People have conflicted views about the reasons we went to war in the first place, but make no mistake, there is no debate amoung the terrorists (who still are in Iraq) about what they would like to do to our country, and our religion.

 

Ron Paul's argument, is that they do not want to attack us because we are rich and free, but because we have military bases on Islamic soil. Those of us who love the history of WW2, will definitley say that non-intervention is ridiculous. But besides Ron Paul's foreign policy, I agree with everything.

 

While, I could be wrong... I don't believe you're looking for more information to make a decision. I believe you have already made your mind up about Ron Paul.

First, you call all his supporters ones who are into conspiracies, when we're not and you have yet to retract that statement.

Second, when the OP was talking about how much we owe China, you wanted a link, when presented with a link, you just fluffed it off with a "their looking to make money..."

Isn't everyone looking to make a profit when you lend money? Do you not see the problem with us owing so much money? Can you tell me of one household in American that could be that far in debt in still be seen as "in control of their fiances"? As a Christian can't you see that being in that much debt in a bad thing?

Anyways... This is all just my opinion, but I don't think you're looking to make a decision or you wouldn't belittle the supporters on Ron Paul.

Jamie

 

Responses to some of Jamie's comments:

So you can read minds? Are you divine?
Honestly, I HAVE pretty much made up my mind about Ron Paul, but I am open to evidence if his supporters can provide it. The questions I have asked are legitimate. Even if you do not convince me, you might convince someone else who is reading this thread if you answer the questions. Curiously, no one is willing to. All I get is insults for asking the questions. I am making all of you look ignorant because of the way you respond. Will some Ron Paul supporter please be the exception and answer my questiosn?

I did retract my statement about Ron Paul being a conspiracy theorist. I don't recall saying that his followers are conspiracy theorists.

But my point is that we are NOT in an unreasonable amount of debt when you consider the size and strength of our economy. That was the point I was making in the analogy about the car buyers. I have asked a simple question, Jamie, "why would China put money in our economy if they thought we are on the verge of economic collapse?" No one has addressed this legitimate question. I'll keep reading this thread to see if someone does.

 

I supported Paul and still like him. IIRC, I haven't read any of this thread except for the last page and am just too lazy to. What question(s) do you want answered from people who like Paul?

 

The question was re-asked on my last entry just above yours on the same page. Hope it's not too much trouble for you to scroll up there. :laugh:

 

SwaimJ... Here let me put this info into a situation you can understand. You sell cars right? Pretend China is a Car lot and America is looking to buy. America has enough money to finance a car at the moment.

A car salesman (most of them) will sell a car to someone as long as they are able to finance it now. If the person that financed the car gets fired or layed off they can't pay the loan. What happens when you don't pay your car loan? Thats right they take back the car. When you owe money you can't pay they take something from you in return. So when our economy fails and China decides it wants to make good on the debt we owe them...what do you think they will take? If this doesn't make sense let me know and i'll approach it in a different manor.

 

Jasmine, thank you for addressing the question. I understand your argument.

The above quote concerns me, though. You don't say "if our economy fails", but "when our economy fails". It is certainly possible that our economy could fail, but why are you so certain that our economy will fail?

Isn't one of the greatest dangers of economic failure the threat of a terrorist attack? Certainly the attack of 9/11/01 harmed our economy greatly. Given that, how can you support Ron Paul, given that he is opposed to the policies that have been most effective in preventing another attack?

 

In my mind the greatest danger of failure is the overprinting of money. When the Federal Reserve prints more money...the value of that money goes down. I believe (and I could be wrong) that when 9/11 happened we needed money to rebuild and to finance an attack. So we went to the Federal Reserve and asked them to print more money. Our Dollar is now even with Canadian money. That scares me. So its not the terrorist attack per say...its how we react to it and the Fed printing more money.

For the sake of curiosity what policies do you believe most effective?

 

Jasmineskye, do you have any evidence that this happened? I'd be very surprised if the Fed printed more money, especially under Greenspan. It's my understanding that printing money sort of willy-nilly leads to inflation and the Fed has been working hard to keep inflation down as much as possible.

 

remember I said I could be wrong...I'm in the process of looking up info to back my statement...and if I don't find any I will retract my statement.