Ron Paul, Hookers, and Heroin

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bob Alkire, May 18, 2011.

  1. Bob Alkire

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    Sounds like the same man I was listening to 15 years ago and like most Libertarian I've known and like most of their meetings back then. The reason I couldn't back him and the reason I didn't joined the Libertarian Party back then, but each his own, I guess. I believe what I use to hear was if it does not affect my family at home, it is none of my business.

    Asked by Chris Wallace of Fox News about his insistence that “the federal government should stay out of people’s personal habits,” and his specific opposition to restrictions on cocaine, heroin, and prostitution, the candidate claimed that social conservatives would nonetheless vote for him “if they understand my defense of liberty is the defense of their right to practice their religion and say their prayers where they want to practice their life. But if you do not protect liberty across the board it’s the First Amendment-type issue… You know, it’s amazing that we want freedom to pick our future in a spiritual way but not when it comes to our personal habits.”

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  2. targus

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    He is ignoring the fact that drugs and hookers destroy lives, families and neighboorhoods.

    While the private practice of religion as we know it supports and strenghtens lives, families and neighborhoods.
     
  3. Bob Alkire

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    You are correct. I went for about 10 years going to a lot of the Libertarian meeting and back then I had the same debate with them.
     
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    >Originally Posted by targus
    >He is ignoring the fact that drugs and hookers destroy lives, families and neighboorhoods.

    >While the private practice of religion as we know it supports and strenghtens lives, families and neighborhoods.

    Maybe Targus is a closet Muslim. <G>
     
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    He's absolutely correct. These are issues for state and local governments.
     
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    Considering some of the opinions that you express about Christianity, I can see why you would make such a comment given that your belief is possibly that nothing good comes from the practice of Christian beliefs.
     
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    You didn't know that Muslims also believe their religion "supports and strenghtens lives, families and neighborhoods?"

    As Gandhi said, "Christianity sounds like a wonderful religion. To bad no one has tried it." I try to be a follower of Jesus, not Paul.
     
  8. Bob Alkire

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    Or less they have changed, they use to preach drugs and prostitution and what every should be legal, it’s our rights under the First Amendment. Legal means nations or state as he sees it, it should be legal or that is what he and the party use to preach. I still believe he is wrong.
     
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    By the way, did you all know that all alcoholics started out by drinking milk or formula? (responding to the "drug" comment)
     
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    Let's talk about heroin for a minute Bob.

    It's been estimated that Afghanistan supplies 70% of the world's heroin whilst 90% the heroin in the UK comes from Afghanistan. It's quite interesting in how it gets to it's destination and who makes the lion's share of the profits.

    It's not the poor Afghan poppy farmer or the dreded Taliban as we've all been lead to believe.

    No.

    It's the offshore banks under "western" control that profit greatest by laundering the dirty drug money so it can be recycled and used as investment capital.


    Under the Taliban "Opium production declined by more than 90 per cent in 2001."

    And then we started dropping our bombs.

    The Afghan heroin trade is a 400 to 500 billion dollar business Bob.


    If you think our leaders and the "international community" who are little more than agents for the bankers and corporitos are going to allow Ron Paul or any other libertarian to legalize heroin you're out of your mind.

    There's just too much money to be made. And we're just talking about the Afghan heroin trade here. Combine this 400 - 500 billion with all the other heroin and cocaine profits and we'll have a really impressive number I'm sure.

    You may not agree with letting people have the freedom to put whatever substance they choose in their own bodies and that's fine but remember when you support one of the bankers and corporitos agents (either a democrat or republican interventionist) you'll be the one helping them to continue to rake in huge profits by bringing this poison to our streets and you'll be the one helping them to ruin lives and families.

    I know you have the best interest of others in mind Bob but let's be real here.

    It'll be you helping them to destroy lives and families by supporting drug prohibition and the continued profits of the global drug cartels along with their banker and corporate comrades, not Ron Paul or libertarians in their defense of your liberty to treat your own body as you see fit. Have a nice day. :)

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  11. JohnDeereFan

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    They may, but that isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not the federal government has the authority to regulate what a person does in private or what two people do consensually.
     
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    Using this logic, I presume Ron Paul would be in favor of gay marriage.
     
  13. Bob Alkire

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    As I said I went to their meeting for about 10 years or more and they seemed more like the hippies of the 60's to me, free love, free drugs and it is all about me. What hurts is what 2 people do does have an affect on others. I've worked with many a family that what the two did between themselves had a negative affect on many others.

    As long as treating my own body as I see fit as you say does not affect anyone in my family or at work or church negatively, I would say fine, but I haven't seen that very often if at all.

    I have disagreed for years with Ron Paul and the libertarians and nothing has changed unless Ron has changed on abortion from back then. I'm just not into me, me, me ,me, their is much more to life than me.

    We will disagree on this one, have a great day.
     
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    If drugs and hooking were legal, would you have any problem with your nextdoor neighbors setting up a brothel and drug den?
     
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    So now I guess turning issues like vice regulation to individual states is a tacit endorsement of the action.
     
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    Yes. Because then it would go from what someone does by themselves or with a consenual partner to a business and a nuisense.
     
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    This is a really difficult thing to talk about with some people, Curtis, because some people can't seem to differentiate between criticizing government regulation of a behavior with approval of the behavior. Anytime I say on a Christian message board that the war on drugs has been lost, that we need to revert the regulation and policing of drug use back to the states, and that it would be in the states' best interests just to decriminalize most drugs, nearly everybody will respond with something like "Oh, well you just want pot legalized so you can smoke pot" or "Oh, so you think children you shoot heroin".

    No to both. I'm just tired of seeing my tax money sqandered, the Constitution trampled, and otherwise law abiding citizens made into criminals.
     
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    But if it were legal why place restrictions like "what someone does by themselves"?

    Let's eliminate the "consentual partner" and "business" part of it then.

    If drug use were to be legalized would you have a problem with your neighbor sitting out on his front porch shooting up? Just as some people sit on their front porch having a beer?
     
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    Nope. If he were on his front porch that would make it alot easier to share the gospel of Christ with him than having to crawl into some rat infested sewer down the street to do it.

    Probably be a whole lot safer too because the chance of catching a stray bullet from illegal drug dealing gangs fighting over turf would most likely be reduced if he could get his fix from a clean legal source. And he'd be better assured that what he was shooting into his body was actually the drug of his choice instead of some unkown substance he bought from a some greasy dude that crawled out of the rat infested sewer just long enough to sell it to him so he could in turn get his fix from some greasy dude from the sewer down the road.

    Don't you care about your neighbor's safety and well being? Even is he is just a another "no good junkie"?
     
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  20. targus

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    My bet would be that far more people die from using drugs than evangelicals going into drug houses to preach.

    BTW that's quite a strawman that you constructed.
     

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