Rush - has he damaged the Republician Party

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  1. Salty

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    In another thread Saturneptune said
    "I think people forget he is just an entertainer like a rock or movie star. Personally, I think he has done great damage to both the Republican Party and the conservative cause because of his antics and lack of any moral bearing"

    So what do you all think? Has Rush caused problems with the Republicans?

    In a strict sense he has - but it is th RINOS - Republicans in Name Only - that think there is a problem.

    Rush has awaken the conservatives (not to take over) to retake their party - much like the Conservatives resurgence of the SBC

    Rush is first and for most a commentator, not an entertainer. I would like to add, that I do not agree with Rush all the time - and I take exception to anyone who say they do - but he is very aware of the political climate of this country.
     
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    I agree. Rush is serious about his positions. He loves his country. Anyone who tries to dismiss him as "just an entertainer" is dead-wrong. Sure Rush uses humor (and inappropriately at times)a lot. But he is spot-on in may of his keen obervations. He is very knowledgeable on quite an array of subjects.

    Rush is very concerned about the direction which the President is (and has) taken this country in just a short amount of time. He is quite sincere. He likes to have fun sometimes and he goes off-track with it occasionally. But do not ignore his serious observations. Listen to him with discerment -- but listen, (I read the transcripts). I really don't think his worst critics actually listen to him in context much of the time based on their reactions to Rush sound-bites.
     
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    In the first place, Rush is an entertainer. He has no inherent power, only people willing to listen to the clown. He can be stopped with the off button.

    He as not damaged the Republican Party? He has not damaged the conservative cause? Rush, over the last eight years, constantly supported Bush, only rarely did he diverge. Bush is why Obama is in office now. If Rush was interested in giving the Republicans another shot at power, after he had damaged the party for eight years, he would not have had a daily rant about John McCain for months.

    Aside from that, the very idea of using Rush Limbaugh as an icon for anything makes ones stomach turn. He is nothing but a self indulgent, pill popping, overbearing slob. If this is your ideal, then follow him down that wide path.

    You know, everyone of you moderate/liberal Republican apologists that gave Bush a free ticket to mess his party up, this nation up, and strayed from the conservative cause got exactly what you deserve, Obama in office and an out of control Democratic Congress. It is my sincere wish it haunts you for the next eight years.

    If Rush was very concerned about where this President has taken us in such a short time, he would not have helped shape events in the past that ensured his election. If Rush wants to continue to flap his mouth, that is his right. It is also the right of decent Americans to shut him up with the off button. Why doesn't Rush run for office and get elected by the people if he is so popular?

    If this is how you are spending your time every day, listening to this show, you need a hobby.
     
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    I am not a liberal/moderate Republican apologist; neither am I a rush devotee though I listen to him occasionally. I don't buy into his "institute for advanced conservative studies" line either, though I have no doubt that he is conservative. I have posted on this Forum what I believe is the best definition of political Conservatism by columnist Holmes Alexander,

    As for giving Bush a free ticket that is not correct. Bush's biggest mistake was his refusal to engage and correct the lying media and democrats; a lie repeated often enough and not rebutted soon becomes fact in the mind of a gullible electorate. Bush's second biggest mistake was probably his refusal to use the VETO pen. For these mistakes he was punished in the 2006 Congressional elections. A third mistake was his amnesty policy which was stopped by a conservative ground swell. There were others but....

    As for Obama and an out of control democrat Congress I would not wish them on anyone since I don't believe the Republic will survive. The czars will take over.
     
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    I don't believe that Rush has hurt the party. I think if anything, he may reenergize it. What has been hurting the Republican Party are those that try to duplicate the Democrats. These people are commonly called moderates. They can't decide whether to support or oppose, so they like straddling the fence. As I stated before in another post, the conservatives within the Republican Party need to take action. Either get rid of the moderates or leave the party & form a new, conservative party. Regardless of what is done, it needs to be done unanamously by conservatives.

    I think that most people are afraid that if they leave the Republican Party, that they won't have a voice. If enough people leave the party, the moderates who call themselves Republicans won't have much of a party left.
     
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    What hurt the republican party most imho was it's being neoconned. You might remember there was a time before Bush II that republicans believed in limited government and individual liberty.

    Then along comes Bush II and the republicans became the democrats.

    But hey there republicans don't feel all alone the democrats just got neoconned by an even bigger deciever than Bush.

    “You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.” G.W. Bush
     
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    The neoconservatives in my view are moderates. The term neoconservative is a misnomer. They may as well be called anti-conservatives, becuase they don't stand up for the same values that true conservatives believe in.
     
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    The Republicans are dying without Rush Limbaugh's help.
     
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    You are right in the sense we give Rush too much credit for anything. However, the focal point of the failure of conservatisim and the Republican Party in general is George W. Bush, his liberal policies, and ienpt leadership. The neocon idea also played a major part. Take Dick Cheney for example. Instead of popping up on talk shows every week, and flapping his jaws, why didn't he run for President and get elected by the American people? The answer is simple, because he did not do his job, and did not have a chance.

    You used terms like individual liberty and freedom. Those are a faded memory. We did it to ourselves. We elected the Bush's, the Clinton's and now this maniac. We may have one more chance to elect a leader that believes in such principles, but time is running out.
     
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    They have never been without it. His big mouth marches across the air waves every day for three hours plus replays. You have got quite a standard there.
     
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    The reason, I'm sure, he didn't run was simply because of his health. Didn't he have a couple of heart attacks while he was VP? Being president takes its toll on a person. I believe that if he were elected as president, he would have more major health issues & possibly die in office.
     
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    That may be true, as a partial factor. There was a time, through the 60s, the Nixon years, and ending with the Reagan years, that I was quite proud to be a Republican. No, they were not perfect, but they did stand for limited government, balanced budgets, a common sense foreign policy, and a similance of the Constitution. Then came Bush the First. He was liberal, but I thought it was a blip on the radar. It was Bush the Second that made me realize that permanent change had come to the Republican Party. Time will tell if he permanently destroyed it or not, but lots of damage can be done by this present Administration in four or eight years, even more so than the previous.

    What I ask myself is this, had Bush and his Republican Congress govened the nation as they campaigned on, would Obama have been elected?
     
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    They kept us safe since 09/11. Obama will send us up in flames.

    Rush has been wrong on several things in the past (like NAFTA, etc.) but he is right about the policies of Obama. Rush has not damaged the Republican Party - the Republican Party damaged themselves by big spending and endorsing other policies of the left. The Republican Party has lost their way. Rush is the small voice crying in the wilderness. Unfortunately, the downward spiral of our country is probably too far gone to reverse. The America I knew and loved has been gone for several years, but is escalating towards ultimate destruction at break-neck speed in the past 3 months.
     
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    What do you mean we? I voted for men who still believed in republican principles, Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin. Most of the rest of the "republicans" it seems voted for the lesser of two evils instead. And why? Because evil was more electable than either Ron Paul or Chuck Baldwin!

    From what I gather the republicans amongst us would rather live in relative safety as slaves in a stazi style big brother total surveillance state than living free in a constitutional republic.

    No doubt the CIA/ISI created boogeymen (Al-CIA-Duh ) had alot to do with that and Rush was right there doing his level best to scare conservatives out their wits so they'd put a deciever like Bush back in power for four more years.
     
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    Proof that Republicans and Democrats are all the same

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    Everyone at this table supported the fascist bailout...

    Real Republicans would not have.

    Will the next real Republican please stand up!
     
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    Couple of them did and the republican party and corporate media either ignored them or repeatedly bashed them for actually standing up for their republican principles. Why? Because we now live in a corporate fascist state of by and for the corporations.
     
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    To answer your first question, we means the American people collectively. Who else elects a President (actually we elect and electoral college). The rest of your post I agree with 100%.
     
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    Your last sentence I agree. It is not Rush Limbaugh's ideals he expresses on the radio that hurt the cause. What hurt conservatism the most is his support of George W. Bush, supporting a liberal President and at the same time talking conservative ideas. They just do not mix. However, Rush goes way beyond this. His lack of respect for others, his self indulgence, his overbearing mannerisms, and his unremorseful lack of morality make him a laughing stock.
     
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    To answer your question...the corporate media sells us a president by funneling us down to two choices. Funneling is an age old sales trick meant to bring you to the "ice cream" close..."which do you prefer strawberry or vanilla?"

    Of course the choice always comes down to the two candidates who'll willingly serve the corporate elite at the expence of the American people. Mr. Obama is proving his worth to the corporate elite very nicely...is he not?
     
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    poncho and SaturnNeptune

    I used to accuse Just Christian of being a fly on the Oval Office because of supposed his intimate knowledge of the Bush Administration policies. I believe that there were two other flies there with him.
     

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