Salvation by Grace Through Faith

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by J. Jump, Jul 21, 2007.

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What does salvation by grace through faith mean?

  1. Faith in the Substitutionary death and shed blood of the Lamb of God.

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  2. Faith (as in No. 1) and repentance from sin.

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  3. Faith and repentance and confession.

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  4. Faith, repentance, confession, with a guarantee of works.

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  5. Faith, repentance, confession, works, baptism.

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  6. Other

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  1. J. Jump

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    I wanted to start this thread to prove out a point. The question is what does it take for a person to be saved for the endless ages (eternal salvation)?
     
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    Not many folks up for a poll on everlasting life and what it takes to receive it huh?
     
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    ***Insult removed***
     
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    :(.

    **Insult removed**
     
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    Lets start over, boys!!!!
     
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    I would hardly call pointing out someone's false accusations and a series of recent actions an insult, but so be it I suppose.
     
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    Well despite only 8 people voting so far I think it is easy to see the point that I was trying to make. Christendom can't even agree on what the simple message of eternal salvation is today.

    And if we allowed "other" denominations to vote there would be some votes cast in some of the other categories as well.
     
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    I voted for faith, repentance and confession, based on Romans 10:9 "If you will confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead...."
     
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    Hi guys,

    I vote for 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 because it includes the resurrection. Call me a rebel.:godisgood:
     
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    I guess that would be one vote for other even though it isn't registered.
     
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    Since I believe that 'repentance' is 'necessary' for salvation, but do not accept the wording given, here, but believe that repentance toward God (not 'away' from sin) is what is required for salvation, and that this 'needed' repentance is effectively the 'flip-side' of believe/faith, so to speak, make that two votes for "other."
    However, to sum it all up in two short sentences, we are saved by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. (Eph. 2:8-9) The basis for this gospel we believe that leads to this salvation, is found in I Cor. 15:1-8.

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    Isn't cofession part of repentance?
     
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    Do you have Scripture that says this is a requirement? I'm unaware of it, but I would say that it is a forgone conclusion that someone would have to "repent" (change their mind toward) God in order to be saved. I don't know that anyone has a "correct" view of God before they are saved and don't have to repent in that way, so that's why I didn't list that.

    Most people when talking of repentance is talking about a committment to turning away from sin and a genuine sorrow for being a sinner.
     
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    Doesn't repent in the biblical sense mean to change ones mind? So do we repent to be saved or do we repent because we are saved?
     
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    I voted for other, jjump.
    if this is eternal salvation we're talking about, it is grace, plus nothing, minus nothing.

    through faith would be not our faith, but the faith of Christ in God, and the faith of God in Christ.

    now if you had said timely salvation, then grace still figures in, in that God in His providential grace allowed an elect child to come under the hearing and teaching of the gospel, and provided that child with the faith to obey the gospel and follow Christ, and thus be saved from false teachings, false worship, and a false understanding and concept of who God is.

    now, before things get out of whack here with us tryin' to outdo each other in "the-ah-logy" which does nothing but feed our ego, let me paste here what I told that gentleman over yonder in another thread who is always tryin' to prove that Calvinism and Calvinists are the worst trash in the world of "the-ah-logy" and the greatest sinners as well:

    "son, y'all kin tell a har'head what ya'll wan' him to hear, and he ain' gon' change his har'hea'd min', cuz' to you ya'll are right, and he's wrong, and to him, he'all is right, and ya'll are wrong. He's a har'head to ya, and ya'll are the har'head to him'all.

    Ya'll kin holler an' rant an' bite yer pink tongue off and him bite his blue tongue off an' it won' make no diff'rence to ya'll and to him'all. He's gon' b'lieve what he wan' b'lieve, an' yall 're gon' b'lieve what ya'll wan' b'lieve and fer all ya'll know, ya'll both gon' git a spankin' from the good Lord when ya'll git to heav'n, 'sumin' of course, ya both are headed fer heav'n.

    So, ya'll g'wan an' b'lieve what ya'll b'lieve an' let him b'lieve what he wanssa b'lieve, and it don' make no diff'rence cause heav'n is all about the blood of Christ, and it ain' 'bout some smar' alecky dingdong called the-ah-logy."
     
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    Yes. And that's why I said a change in mind toward God is really a foregone conclusion that one has to do before one is saved. Again I don't know of anyone that had the right idea of God prior to salvation.

    I guess it is possible to have the right idea about God prior to salvation, maybe?

    But when folks talk about repentance they are most always talking about repentance of sin.
     
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    I thought faith that saves INCLUDES repentance and confession...they are not separate from faith.
     
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    repentance is more than just feeling sorry that you did something; it requires action! It requires a changing of your ways. Only those who have been on the right path and have strayed can repent.

    An unsaved person can't turn back to the right path. At the instant of their being born from above, they are beginning a new path.

    The English word “repent”, from the Latin word “repoenitet”, simply means “to be sorry”, and that just does not convey the full meaning of the Greek word, when John commanded them to repent. John did not merely want people to be sorry, but to change their attitudes (literally, “after mind”) and he wanted them to change the way they acted. One of the problems is that we do not have a single English word that reproduces the exact meaning of the Greek word.
    The Greek does have a word that means to be sorry, which is exactly our English word “repent”, and it is used in the NT in reference to Judas in Matthew 27:3, which says, “Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders”. That’s a different Greek word, “metamelomai”, which simply means “regret”. Judas regretted what he had done, but it was too late to change, wasn’t it? The deed was done.

    But, John was a prophet, after many years of prophetic silence, who was bringing a message of “turn around!” That’s why the book of Matthew, which was written to the Jews specifically, emphasizes repentance: They knew better. To the rest of the world, this was something new. They didn’t need to turn back; they had never been on the right track.

    Repent! Turn back! John was echoing the same message that the prophets of old had been preaching to Israel. Joel 2:12 tells us, “Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me [return unto me] with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:” Isaiah 55:7: “Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.” Let him return unto the Lord. Ezekiel 33:11 says, “Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye [turn back, turn back] from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?” This is followed a few verses later by Ezekiel 33:15: “If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.” Repent! The Jews needed to turn back to the road of righteousness!
     
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    "For by grace through faith are you saved, plus repentance, confession, conversion, obedience, and good works, and only then are you really, really, really, TRULY saved."

    Doesn't your Bible say that?

    Apparently, you have the same Bible that I have that says, "For by grace through faith are you saved." Plus nothing.

    Gasp! Two salvation? You'll be called a heretic in short order. (But, not by me.)
     
  20. mmetts

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    Faith alone. :jesus:
     

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