Samuel Trott on Predestination

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    ELDER SAMUEL TROTT ON PREDESTINATION, 1845
    Elder Trott gives an explanation of how in the realm of God's predestination sin may take place for the greater good, yet without God compelling the will of individuals. Your thoughts: Agree? Disagree? Other?
     
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    I agree with that article.

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    Thanks for the comments, Bro. Dallas. Perhaps it would have been good to include the last paragraph:
     
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    Bro. Vaughn,
    My comments are limited, I don't believe any thing I could say could add anything to what you have quoted.

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    Thus God is the author of sin

    - The article is flawed - ESPECIALLY the last quote - and if you reread the whole post in the light of the linked foreknowledge/predestination

    one gets sick

    God knows everything not because He set it up - Gods foreknowledge is greater then that - it is such that He knows everything, past,present, future, possible, practical, real and fictional - no matter who the originator is
     
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    I disagree with the term predestination used... I feel allowed or permissive will would be a better term... To Primitive Baptist predestination is a term that means destination afore time... Did God predestinate the crucifiction of his own son or by his permissive will allow it?... I believe the latter!

    Then there is Absolute Predestination along with foreordination and the word ordained... Again what is ordained or foreordained and predestinated and are not these words similar or are they only examined according to the foreknowledge of God?... According to his purpose they are called but predestination is so they will be conformed into the image of his Son... Predestination is for confirmation only and not for everything pro or con that leads to it... It is only mentioned four times in scripture Romans 8:29-30 and Ephesians 1:5 and 11 and only applies to the redeemed in Christ... Interesting article but those are my thoughts!... Brother Glen [​IMG]
     
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    Bro. Glenn,

    Didn't you read what I wrote???? :eek:

    :D

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    Brother Glen, though we may disagree about the extent of predestination and things predestinated, I think the scriptures are very clear that God did predestinate the crucifixion of His son. For example:
    God's counsel determined before (prooizo, same word also translated predestinate) the crucifixion of Christ. Consider also:
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    If God determined before (predetermined or predestinated) the crucifixion of His Son, this shows the predestination is broader than just determining beforehand concerning those whom He would elect. Also Acts 17:26 indicates that at least some times and events are determined before:
     
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    Sularis, if it is true that God knows everything (and I believe it is true, though since He knows everything He knows that which is fictional or suppositional is nothing, unlike us not knowing whether it is), then what could be wrong with Trott's conclusion on the fall - "...God foreknowing with certainty that Adam, if left to encounter the temptation in his own creaturely weakness, would sin, predestinated so to leave him to meet the temptation, and to permit the temptation to be presented to him...This predestination is not a constraining the will of the individuals, but a leaving them to act it out under the attending circumstances. Thus God works all things after the counsel of His own will (Ephesians 1:11), permitting sin to transpire where He sees it for good, and restraining it in other cases; and constraining by His providence, or grace, to acts of goodness, etc." Certainly God 'permitted sin to transpire' in the case of evil men crucifying His innocent Son, which He saw for good.
     

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