SBC Stats show little Growth

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  1. Jimmy C

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    Nice article over on Associated Baptist Press on the rate of growth in the SBC. here is the link:
    http://www.abpnews.com/abpnews/story.cfm?newsId=4307
    ( have never figured out how to do the blue clickie, so you will have to copy and paste in your browser)

    For those of you that dont trust anything said by ABP, Paige Patterson is quoted often and and supports his side of the story very well. It is to bad that moderates are not treated nearly as well on BP - but I digress.

    The SBC has grown - unlike other mainline demoninations, but not nearly as fast as it was growing 25 years ago. ABP News
     
  2. Daniel David

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    So? I actually hope the convention shrinks down some before it grows again. The orthopraxy liberals are the next that need to go.

    Btw, moderate=liberal, so their treatment is fair game.
     
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    I personally think the SBC is full of practical liberals leading the way calling themsleves conservative.

    Jesus was never a moderate, liberal or conservative. Being one of thoise labels is an excuse to not study nor practice Christianity. A conservative is someone who claims a conservative approach to scripture. Jesus was none of the labels. He was God and he was right on. I have personally seen the lies of all kinds of people in leadership on both sides. I am not a moderate nor a conservative. I strive to be like Jesus. He was in neither camp and nieither should we. We must be about the Father's business.
     
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    OTOH, most Baptist KJVO churches call themselves conservative and fundamental, despite the fact that KJVOism is neither conservative nor fundamentalist (by fundamentalist standards, it's quite "liberal").

    Typically, when someone uses the phrase "liberal" in such a loose manner, they're simply referring to someone who's not as conservative as they are. Most folks on this board are not as conservative as someone else on this board. That doesn't make them liberals. Well, except to a hyperconservative/hyperfundamentalist.
     
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    "Christians are often theological conservatives but practical atheists, Blackaby said in the second message of his series Feb. 18."

    Found at http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=17795

    If you don't believe me then ask yourself in the congregation you are in how many have even led one person to Christ. How many have carried out the command Jesus gave to His disciples in Mt. 28:19,20? If the people are not making discipls then they are practical atheists. They are not living in accordance with scripture. Isn't that what an atheist does? When I was a student at SWBTS we were told that the average person in the SBC never leads one person to Christ in their entire lifetime. Do you call that a theological conservative. You might call that practical atheism and conservative methodology in evangelism.

    That's not close to liberalism but atheism and paganism.

    Jesus wants radical Christians.
     
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    Many Christians who would not ever agree with Calvinistic Theology are practical Calvinists as well. They leave saving souls up to the Lord.
     
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    May the SBC LEAD as many people to Jesus as they can.

    In the end, it is not going to matter what Doctrine was taught. The only that that is going to matter is

    DO YOU BELIEVE JESUS DIED FOR YOU!!!!

    The rest is that .... the rest.
     
  8. Jimmy C

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    \Or"tho*prax`y\, n. [Gr. 'orqo`s straight + ? a
    doing.] (Med.)
    The treatment of deformities in the human body by mechanical
    appliances.


    Nice use of a word out of context DD, got any others you would like to throw out while you are at it?

    The point of the article was that purging the moderates out of convention offices has not generated a great revival in the convention, that has led to an increase in Baptisms and church membership. Perhaps to the contrary, the moderates, who I would guess are mostly non calvininst have historically had a great hearts for missions, both giving and going. As history shows us, when Calvinism became the norm in Britan evangelism came to a virtual stop. Unless the Paige Pattersons, who is one of the few non Calvinists in the leadership of the SBC currently, can shake things up, Mohler and his crew will bring about the same type of stagnation in Baptisms and church membership.

    BTW it is only to the heard of heart and head that would say that moderate = liberal. My guess is 99.9% of all moderates are theologically conservative.
     
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    Websters defines orthopraxy as 1. correctness or orthodoxy of action or practice.
    2.Med. orthopraxia.

    I have no idea where you came up with the def. you did.
     
  10. Daniel David

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    I would like to encourage you to do a little more research into truth before you seek to embarrass someone.
     
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    Did anybody read the article at http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=18448

    Sonds encouraging to me.

    '"Here's the headline on me: This convention does not have one problem that soul-winning will not solve. You put that in big capital letters, quotes, three exclamation points and underline it in red,"' Welch said in an extended interview with the Florida Baptist Witness published June 10."
     
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    Speaking from the left-of-center camp of the SBC, personally I would be more concerned with bona fide decisions, rather than just simply numbers.
     
  13. Major B

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    Baptist,

    Here is one place where we really agree. I believe that a significant portion of our professing members show no sign of a real conversion. In this county, nearly half the population has its name on a Baptist church roll, but less than half of those on the rolls are active, and many of them are ignorant and spiritually weak (and happy about both).
     
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    Unlikely.

    The moment people take sides in this manner, lets go get the liberals or the conservatives or even the pentecostals, you have a house divided that will not stand. All it leads to is problems, and despite what people think, no side ever wins.

    It is a suttle tactic however of satan, while he can get christians in a denomination to throw stones at one another, the focus is off evangalism and he has the victory.

    The more hatred that one group has for another, the more likely the church will fall in a screaming heap.
     
  15. Jimmy C

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    orthopraxy

    \Or"tho*prax`y\, n. [Gr. 'orqo`s straight + ? a doing.] (Med.) The treatment of deformities in the human body by mechanical appliances.


    Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

    I have a decent vocabulary, but this word was a new one for me. I went straight to Websters online dictionary and this was the only definition that came up. With all due respect GB the definition you provided never was mentioned in any of the dictionaries that Google brought up (at least the first 3 pages), many of the dictionaries could not find it and the three that did gave me the definition that I provided.

    DDs use of the term makes no sense in either context "The orthopraxy (correctness or orthodoxy of action or practice.)
    liberals are the next that need to go."

    If their action or practice is orthodox they are not liberal. What exactly is an orthodox liberal? One who agrees on the fundamentals of the faith but disagrees with ????
     
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    Jimmy, this is why I suggested a little research on your part. It refers to those who might embrace the fundamental doctrines, but partaking in morally questionable practices. I hope this makes sense.
     
  17. Daniel David

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    Ben W, there is no fellowship where the truth is not present. Liberals have no truth. They are not with Christ. They are on the outside.
     
  18. Major B

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    The problem is how one defines "liberal." I am very conservative in doctrine and practice, having been saved and discipled in a Founders-type church (back before the Founders was an organized faction in the SBC). However, when I moved to this area (far Western Kentucky, the land time forgot), I was called "liberal" by some because I am not KJVO, and because I am not a landmarker. I was also called politically liberal because I declined to join a local militia (I don't look good in a white robe). What is "liberal?"
     
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    The "liberal" label has a directly related to context.
    I am to the left of center, but I am not a liberal.
     
  20. Major B

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    The "liberal" label has a directly related to context.
    I am to the left of center, but I am not a liberal.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Left of center where? Somebody could be "left of center" here in Western Kentucky, and they would be to the right of Falwell! The same goes for politics, here. The last guy who tried to run against our GOP congressman labeled himself as a "Christian Democrat." He got creamed anyway.
     

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