Scripture Concerning Eternal Life/Salvation

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  1. gekko

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    so. there's been some questions i have. and others say that one verse that says "you will be saved" is different then another verse that says "and you will be saved"

    so what scripture is there that talks about eternal salvation/life?
    ones that say how we are to be saved altogether?

    i'll post a few and im asking if these ones could be:

    that's it for now from me...

    what are your thoughts?
     
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    Gekko, the thing is you can't just look for the words saved, salvation, faith, grace, believe etc. and then assign the meaning you have for those works. You have to let the context tell you what the meaning is.

    The context of eternal salvation is that it comes through faith only by the grace of God, based on the finished and complete works of Jesus Christ and none other.

    If the picture that is painted contains anything else it's not speaking of eternal salvation.
     
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    ok. after reading some scripture. i do agree.

    have faith and believe and you will be saved.

    continue in that, God having done a great work in your life, and the fruit will show.

    the fruit-bearing part is where we disagree J.Jump.
    no they dont save us. but fruits will show.
     
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    Yes gekko, I am confident you are correct. You can't be a follower of Jesus, entering into Kingdom life with Him, without bearing fruit. The fruit will be a transformation of character (from the inside flowing outward into actions) and productivity in ministry.
     
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    The problem is that not all Christians bare fruit. So if entering the kingdom life is based upon fruit-bearing (which it is) then not all Christians will enter the kingdom.

    The only place you need to look to see this is the parable of the soils. This parable is dealing with fruit-bearing and only one type of Christians bears fruit. The other three fall away for whatever reason.

    That's just the way the Bible lays it out there. We can accept it and teach people the Truth and spread Light or we can continue to make excuses and lead people into the darkness.
     
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    and this is where we disagree J.Jump.

    im going to go out on a limb - throw stones at me if you wish - but if God has started a good work in someones life because now they have confessed and believed that Jesus is Lord and accepted the gift - then God will continue and will finish that good work and will not leave them walking off the narrow path - God is not a derelict Father. yes we stray - but God lets us know.

    Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
     
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    the seed that falls on the way-side - that is not a christian.
     
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    the other two do fall away - but their ground needs to be tilled. that is done by God.
     
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    the stony ground hearer and the other hearer that fell away -

    this following section of scripture i will post in response

    was the stony ground hearer once enlightened, taste of the heavenly gift, made partakers of the Holy Ghost, have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the world to come?

    have they had that? if not, what could they backslide from?
    if so, then it is impossible for to renew them again unto repentance.
     
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    But nowhere in Scripture does it say that God forces His will on someone that does not want to walk where He wants them to walk. The view is just not supported by the Bible, and that is the ONLY thing that can determine Truth.

    And again you are saying that there are unsaved among the soil parable, which is an impossibility. The whole parable is about fruit-bearing. Only saved individuals are even capable of bearing fruit.

    However the parable tells us that there are three groups of Christians that will not produce fruit in regard to the kingdom. It has nothing to do with eternal salvation.

    Again the Bible just does not support your view. Now you can continue to hold it, because that's your right, but it's just not there.
     
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    no it doesnt. i agree with you there.

    what we dont agree on is that a true christian - not a half hearted christian - a true christian will desire the sincere milk of the word - will desire to be Holy as He is Holy - will desire Christ's righteousness - and when that person strays - he's not wanting to stay strayed away - so God lets that person know and works from there.
     
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    Gekko you keep backing yourself down into corners that you aren't able to get out of if you accept the teaching of Scripture.

    You are making distinctions that the Bible doesn't make you are saying a "true" Christian as if there was something else. There isn't. Either you are saved or you are not.

    If you are saved then you have a responsibility to grow in the Lord. You say that true Christians will grow in the Lord, but that is just not supported by Scripture.

    We must cooperate with the Holy Spirit to allow this growth to take place. The plain Truth of the matter is that some saved people will and some saved people won't.

    As much as people want that teaching of only faithful Christians to be true it's just plainly not there. And if you have found it please share it so we can have a look at it.
     
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    I agree. There are Christians and non-believers. Nothing in between. But Christians will bear fruit. That is clear from the NT.
     
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    Please show us where that is guaranteed. And then show us how that meshes with the parable of the soils, which shows that not all Christians will bear fruit.
     

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