Scripture to support KJVOism please

It can be demonstrated from Scripture alone that KJV-Onlyism (or *any* form of "One-Version-Onlyism") is unscriptural.

EXAMPLE 1 - Note the exact wording of this passage from the Book of Isaiah:

7 he IS BROUGHT as a LAMB to the slaughter,
and AS a SHEEP BEFORE HER SHEARERS IS DUMB,
so HE OPENETH not his mouth.
8 HE WAS TAKEN FROM PRISON AND FROM JUDGMENT:
and who shall declare his generation?
for HE WAS CUT OFF FROM THE LAND OF THE LIVING:
(Isa. 53:7-8, KJV)

Now, note the exact wording of the very same passage as it appeared in the copy of Isaiah from which the Ehtiopian eunuch read on his way back from Jerusalem:

27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, 28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot READ Esaias the prophet. 29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. 30 And Philip ran thither to him, and HEARD HIM READ the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou READEST? 31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. 32 THE PLACE OF THE SCRIPTURE WHICH HE READ was this,
He WAS LED as a SHEEP to the slaughter;
and LIKE a LAMB DUMB BEFORE HIS SHEARER,
so OPENED HE not his mouth:
33 IN HIS HUMILIATION HIS JUDGMENT WAS TAKEN AWAY:
and who shall declare his generation?
for HIS LIFE IS TAKEN FROM THE EARTH.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at THE SAME SCRIPTURE, and preached unto him Jesus.
(Ac. 8:27-35, KJV)

The Ethiopian eunuch used a different version of Isaiah, and this fact is clearly recorded in the Scriptures. This demonstrates that any form of "One Version Onlyism" is unscriptural.


EXAMPLE 2 - Note the exact wording of this passage from the Book of Isaiah:

1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me;
because the LORD hath anointed me
to preach GOOD TIDINGS UNTO THE MEEK;
he hath sent me to BIND UP the brokenhearted,
to PROCLAIM LIBERTY to the captives,
AND THE OPENING OF THE PRISON TO them that are BOUND;
2 To PROCLAIM the acceptable year of the Lord.
(Isa. 61:1-2, KJV)

Now, note the exact wording of the very same passage as it appeared in the copy of Isaiah from which Jesus read in his hometown synagogue:

16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up FOR TO READ. 17 And there was delivered unto him THE BOOK of the prophet Esaias. And when he had OPENED THE BOOK, he found THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS WRITTEN,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because HE hath anointed me
to preach THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR;
he hath sent me to HEAL the brokenhearted,
to PREACH DELIVERANCE to the captives,
AND RECOVERING OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND,
TO SET AT LIBERTY them that are BRUISED,
19 To PREACH the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he CLOSED THE BOOK, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is THIS SCRIPTURE fulfilled IN YOUR EARS.
(Lk. 4:16-21, KJV)

Jesus himself used a different version of Isaiah, and this fact is recorded in the Scriptures. So Jesus' own example demonstrates that any form of "One Version Onlyism" is unscriptural.

The doctrine of One Version Onlyism is shown to be the unscriptural by the testimony of these two Scriptural witnesses (cf. Deut. 19:15).

 

Or more accurately, where the KJV agrees with the autographs

 

AV Defender:If scripture is you're ultimate authority,then why not show us where it says the KJV is NOT the final authority.

Reverses sometimes work in football, but not in a discussion. First, the KJV wasn't around while God was presenting His word to man...and for that matter, neither was English or most of the languages or language styles used today.

Second, the English-speaking world did fine with several English BVs in existence for several hundred years...till a SDA official invented the KJVO myth and other authors armed with the modern printing press & electronic media spread it.

Third, since the KJVOs introduced this doctrine into the Christian worship experience, the burden of proof lies with the KJVO to prove his/her theory, and so far, they've failed completely.

Fourth, Scripture singles out NO version of itself in ANY language as being the only "official" version, so you're right back on Square One...stuck with a false doctrine that you have no way to prove anything but false.

 

Fifth, which version of the KJV are we talking about?

Here is an advertisement concerning the First Edition KJV facsimile, complaining about the 400 years history of “occasionally troublesome alterations” made to the “Authorised Version.”.

There are many permutations:

First there were two “First Editions” in 1611, the Oxford and the Cambridge (and some say a third, the Nelson). Each of these editions contain differences among themselves which persist to this day.

Second, there have been several revisions in hundreds of places in the text, most to correct typography but some are substantive.

Third, there are “counterfeits” which (for the most part) are King James look-a-like Bibles but have some identifiable differences compared to those which came down from the the Oxford, the Cambridge or the Nelson. However, one of the differences is in Genesis 1:1. The “counterfeit” has “the heavens” instead of “the heaven”. Oddly enough the “counterfeit” is correct according to the Hebrew which is dual-plural “HaShayim”. Perhaps through the providence of God this is the "real" Authorized Version".

See: http://www.biblebelievers.com/believers-org/counterfeit-kjv.html

The site is however wrong in claiming that the King James Bible is NOT copyrighted. It is indeed copyrighted in perpetuity by the English Crown as has been documented here at the BB. What is happening (presumably) is that the publishers are ignoring the copyright.

So, which revision/edition/version would be anyone's guess as to the “pure words of God”?

[ September 06, 2004, 12:06 PM: Message edited by: HankD for corrections and enhancements]

HankD

[ September 06, 2004, 12:08 PM: Message edited by: HankD ]

 

Askjo:God gave His Words to Adam; the Satan gave the false Words of God to Eve.


BUUZZ!

Satan didn't misquote God; he questioned the VERACITY of God's words.

God gave you one Bible, the KJV for your mother tongue as read Romans 16:26;

And several more, both before & after the KJV.

Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

And that means, in their own languages. This verse can be applied to ANY valid versions in any language...no KJV specification here!


W/H gave you false Words of God namely modern versions as read 2 Cor. 2:17 (KJV).


2 Corinthians 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

Again, not specific to any version, language, or manuscript.

Can you provide ANY Scripture supporting the KJVO myth? No rocket science required...it's either there or it isn't.

 

roby:We've asked that question umpteen times...and with no viable answers. I think we all know there's no Scripture directly supporting the KJVO myth since all Scripture had been presented by God many centuries earlier. But for the doctrine of KJVOism to be more than just a man-made myth, it needs SOME Scriptural support since it's about Scripture, our highest written authority.

AV Defender:Yes,we know...Lord knows that is all you can contribute is the same thing every time you post,over and over,and OVER.You are just inches away from becoming a TROLL!!

Carry on all you wish...but the fact remains that I, and others, keep asking that same question BECAUSE THE KJVOS JUST WON'T ANSWER! Could it be they KNOW there's no Scriptural support for their myth, but aren't mature enough to admit their doctrine is false?

Wanna shut us up? THEN TRUTHFULLY ANSWER THE QUESTION! Otherwise, your doctrine remains phony as a Clinton dollar.

 

Not only that Roby but I always feel compelled to turn their own logic back on them as often as they promote the claims (howbeit and perhaps unwittingly) coming down from the KJVO pope(ess).

For instance they have no problem resurrecting the dead (W&H) and publicly slandering them with heresay, but when historical writings concerning the bloodthirsty king James and his "bishops" are posted concerning their atrocities perpetrated upon believers, suddenly those believers who lost their lives (and/or body members) obeying God rather than men are labeled as "rebels" and King James and his men get a pass.

HankD

 

Yes,we know...Lord knows that is all you can contribute is the same thing every time you post,over and over,and OVER.You are just inches away from becoming a TROLL!!

I've been refraining from posting for QUITE some time now and just recently starting droping back in some just to observe.....


If scripture is you're ultimate authority,then why not show us where it says the KJV is NOT the final authority. </font>[/QUOTE]Typical kjVERSION ONLY tactic, to answer a question with a question. Not in this debate, friend. Answer the question or move on. The Onlies are the ones who try to deflect. It's not gonna work. Answer the question AV Defender, or is it that you can't provide proof???? How sad.

AVL1984

 

Since AV Defender just pops in from time to time and never really posts any proof, I think I would take him/her as a troll. They don't seem to have anything of value to add to the conversation. How sad!

AVL1984

 

Why should AV Defender or any other KJV supporter answer you when it is evident that this thread was started to ridicule anone who holds to the KJV?

 

It seems to me most of these threads are started to ridicule anyone who holds to the Holy Bible. The only ridicule and doubt about kjvoism is coming from these posters who start these things. Thank God for His truth that I have His very words.

 

What did you expect Granny when KJVO folks tell people that the Bible they love is a corruption or worse a "satanic counterfeit" publicly slandering and denigrating everyone who has had to do with it?

Then instead of proving that the KJV is the Only Bible with Scripture, they yell
"IT IS EVIDENT" without giving us the scriptural evidence.

HankD

 

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KJVOs, if you can't provide a Biblical basis for KJVO, then it simply remains a man-made myth, and all further discussions are useless, as you'd be trying to build a structure roof first, completely without a foundation. Now, are any of you gonna answer David J's question or not? If ya can't find any, then please be adult enough to admit it.
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And the very sad part here, is what many of you are falsely labeling a doctrine and a myth. What I believe is neither of those things. Just because you call it that, doesn't make it so, and how nice and convienent for you to make up this label in order to attack the truth of this issue, and the people who come to you sharing the truth. The ONLY reason one must put a label on this truth, is because they NEED TO in order to feel JUSTIFIED for COMPROMISING with OBVIOUS ERRORS in the mv's. Suit yourself. The Lord our God knows, and someday many others also will.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

PERFECT statement michelle!!

 

Here are some of many instances that show the true word of God in our language to the counterfit:


KJB

1 John 5

6. This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


NIV

1 John 5

6 This is the one who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

7 For there are three that testify: OMITTED

8 the[1] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

and ....


KJB

Acts 8

35. Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37. And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.


NIV

Acts 8

35 Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.

36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?"[6]

37 OMITTED

38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.

39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing.


Now read God's warnings:

Deut.4

Deuteronomy 4

1. Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.
2. Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.


Proverbs 30

1. The words of Agur the son of Jakeh, even the prophecy: the man spake unto Ithiel, even unto Ithiel and Ucal,
2. Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the understanding of a man.
3. I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.
4. Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
5. Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Rev. 22

18. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.


The scriptures themselves and the truth they reveal make it evident what is the word of God and what is not.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Now it is the turn of the other side to show which words the KJV "left out".


Here we go again