Separation of Church & State ? NOT REALLY!!

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  1. LadyEagle

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    Statues of a god have been displayed at courthouses throughout the US Judicial System for generations, so why all the flack about Judge Moore's Display of the 10 Commandments in a Courthouse?

    There is no REAL separation of church and state unless it applies to the Judeo-Christian God, apparently.

    The US Judicial System has statues of a god in courthouses throughout the United States. It is the Greek goddess, "Themis."

    What an Insult to the One True God and His 10 Commandments. God Bless Judge Moore!

    http://lib.law.washington.edu/ref/themis.html
     
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    Good post, SheEagle! [​IMG]

    I notice the feds are doing nothing about the religious murals in the Pennsylvania Supreme Court building - americanvision.org/page.asp?id=98.

    I think it's liberal Yankees who are still anti-South. They won the War of Northern Aggression in 1865 but apparently they still aren't satisfied unless they can totally dominate Southern culture. I think they hate the Bible Belt area and what we stand for.
     
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    Great post SheEagle!

    Hey Ken! I am a Yankee, but I am certainly NOT a liberal and don't want the monument removed! [​IMG]
     
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    As my British brothers would say, "Not bluddy likely."

    Seeing how he is directly disobeying the Scripture in Romans 13.

    I am still waiting for a Moore advocate to interpret that passage.
     
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    1. You are not a victim, Ken.

    2. Don't you mean the War on the riotous Southerners? The Feds have the right to squash rebellion. The Military is to protect the citizens of the U.S. from all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC.

    Where was the South's right to elect a new president? I missed that in the constitution. Where was the right to succeed? I missed that in the constitution.

    No, they violated Romans 13 also. I see a patern here.

    3. I am sure that is it.
     
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    If anyone sees folks praying before a statue of Justice or lighting incense, please let me know. It will be actionable, I'm sure.

    As far as the Pennsylvania case is concerned, the court found the images unobjectionable, as I have pointed out on another thread:

    The court may be wrong; its decision is not without merit.
     
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    No. They were correct in what they did.

    There is NO biblical or historical support for what the South pulled.

    The constitution was ratified in Virginia of all places and they went against it. Very surprising.
     
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    I hope every person who opposes this is promptly arrested and jailed. They are not suffering for righteousness' sake. They are not oppressed. They are begging for it. Oh, and nice job telling the press you are willing to be arrested.

    I suppose Jesus left out of the great commission that part about using the government to further Christianity. :rolleyes:
     
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    It's called the 10th amendment.

    By the way, the CSA was not trying to take over Washington, D.C. The North invaded the South, not vice versa.
     
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    Why are you hypocritical by saying the colonists were right to rebel against the lawful authority but the South was not right in doing the same thing? My, my, what a double standard you have. Tsk, tsk. :cool:
     
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    How does a monument in the lobby have anything to do with the Great Commission? I think your lack of appreciation for States' rights in the federal constitution is messing up your thinking. :rolleyes:
     
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    As a Southerner I appreciate all of the right thinking folks like you in the North. [​IMG]
     
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    WHAT !!!

    We are talking about the Civil War in America right?

    The North had every right to put down a riot.

    Remember Rodney King and the result of the trial of the cops? Was the U.S. Army guilty of "invasion" when they were called in? Stop trying to revise history. You can keep telling those lies, but they will never be true.
     
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    Technically, it was not a civil war. A civil war is when at least two sides try to control the same government.

    The CSA declared its independence from the USA, just like the 13 colonies declared their independence from England. If you agree the latter was right, then the former is as well. Your hypocritical double standard won't fly in this instance. :cool:
     
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    The states' rights are whatever they want that does not violate the constitution.

    Your libertarian ideals demonstrate that you really have a problem with authority and history.
     
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    Wrong. You really should read the document before you post about it.


    Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


    Amendment X

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.


    The federal constitution does not say the States and the people get whatever rights are left over. Rather, federal powers are enumerated(spelled out) and those are all the powers that the feds have. Period. The idea is that practically all powers and rights reside with the people and the States, not the federal government.
     
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    According to your take, the Feds are to operate under the whims of all states?

    Ken, I reject your chaos theory.
     
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    I believe what I said was that the federal constitution enumerates the federal government's powers, and that it says that any other rights and powers not enumerated belong to the people and the States.

    I believe in reading the federal constitution literally. [​IMG]
     
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    As my British brothers would say, "Not bluddy likely."

    Seeing how he is directly disobeying the Scripture in Romans 13.

    I am still waiting for a Moore advocate to interpret that passage.</font>[/QUOTE]Judge Moore's Oath of Office in the Great State of Alabama:

    ARTICLE XVI.

    OATH OF OFFICE.

    Sec. 279. Required of members of legislature and executive and judicial officers; form; administration. All members of the legislature, and all officers, executive and judicial, before they enter upon the execution of the duties of their respective offices, shall take the following oath or affirmation:

    "I, ......, solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Alabama, so long as I continue a citizen thereof; and that I will faithfully and honestly discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter, to the best of my ability. So help me God."
     

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