Seriously, what all did God create?

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  1. Dale-c

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    My other thread got closed, perhaps justly as I was being a bit sarcastic.
    But I do have a serious question about creation.

    What all did God create?
    I believe in a simple paragraph that God created everything. Every atom of every molecule.
    Man often modifies that creation to his own ends, such as building houses out of trees that God has made etc.
    Also, God made the rules of chemistry and physics that apply to any way that man can modify His creation.
     
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    You forgot Man often modifies that creation to his own ends, such as making alcoholic wine.
     
  3. Dale-c

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    Actually, I did say that man often modifies the creation to his own ends:
     
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    Let's not turn this thread into another wine debate. If it starts to go down that path I am going to just merge it into one of the other wine debate threads that are already open. Okay, let's continue....
     
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    Not to mention that there is no instance of the word "wine" in the OP at all/
    The point is, how far should we credit God with creating something and at what point do we say it is mans modification etc.
     
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    Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

    The Bible teaches that the origin of the world must be understood by faith.
     
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    Well sure. We must have faith that God created.
    The problem with atheism is they try to use evidence to prove the origin of the world.
    But you can't reproduce the origin. It was a one time thing.

    So it is proper to say that God has created all things?
    Did God create ice cream?
    Yes! He made every last ingredient.
    However there are secondary causes (man) that took God's creation of cream and vanilla and sugar etc and made it into ice cream.
    It is still 100% God's creation.
     
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    Seriously, what all did God create?

    Everything he created, he created seriously.
     
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    That right there is funny. I don't care who you are, that right there is funny.:thumbs: :laugh:
     
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    IT did bring a smile to my face! It also is an important serious point as well.
    God created everything with a purpose.
     
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    Was everything created by being spoken into existence or did God use other means?
     
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    Back in the late 1970s was teaching pre-school/kindergarden Children's Worship (4-6 years old, pre readers). The lesson was 'God made everything'. After the pre-planned activity/lesson, I was talking to the kids:

    Ed - who made the trees?
    Kids - God
    Ed - who made parents?
    Kids - God
    Ed - who made cars?
    Little Lillie (not real name) raises her hand:
    Ed - Yes, Lillie, who made cars?
    Lillie - God.
    (well, she believed the lesson. Actually Lillie's parents both worked at the General Motors pre-SUV making factory. Lillie's PARENTS made cars, God made Lillie's parents.)

    So Dale-c has a good question, that some might be interested in, what exactly did God make? And what did those beings or non-beings that God make - what did they/it make?
     
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    I would draw a distinction between the words "create" and "make." God created everything that exists by His spoken Word out of nothing. Man makes stuff by using, processing, mixing, shaping, etc. the existing things that God created.
     
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    I agree. Only God created ex nihilo. We sometimes talk loosely about an artist "creating" a masterpiece, but in no way does he do so out of nothing. Ice cream makers, house builders, and newspaper publishers would be ecstatic if they could make their products out of nothing. No more paying out for materials! As for the original question, the "all" is described in John 1.1-3:

    1 ΒΆ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

     
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    Yesterday in class, we were talking about division by 0. I would submit that God created the rules of the universe that allow us to make things. At some point we can take everything back to some raw material that God created that we manipulate.

    The students were surprised by my passion over division by 0. They blindly accept it. They casually say it. They do not recognize the consequences of it even though they have been talking about the fact that it cannot be done for years. We, in fact, have been talking about the reasoning all year and yet it still rolls off their tongue - that number is divided by 0. No curiousity at all as to how it violates the rules of God's creation.
     
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    In the Hebrew of Gen 1:1 it is accurately stated "In the beginning God created from nothing the heavens and earth." Thus the Hebrew word 'bara' (to make from nothing) instead of Hebrew word 'baro' which is much the same (even in pronunciation) as our borrow - which is to take or borrow from something else. There is a little more to the language which solidifies this but that is gist of it.

    Yes, God 'spoke' creation into existence as it says His Word and thus did not use nor need to use 'other' means. What other means could be used in the midst of nothingness save (or except) for His absolute creative will manifested in and through His word to create. (or to 'be' - become, or come into existence)
     
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    Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    According to this verse God did not speak man into existence, rather He used part of His already made creation.
     
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    What?!?!? :eek:

    A BB poster being sarcastic??


    Say it isn't so, Ethel!!! :p [​IMG][​IMG]

    Ed
     
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    In actual answer to the OP, I believe that Scripture actually ascribes " bara' " (to bring into existence out of nothing) or "create" to three things in Gen. 1: - the heavens and the earth (1:1); animal life (1:21); and man (1:27). Every thing else, including plants, is said to either be either " `asah " or " yasha' ", both of which carry the force of the use something already in existence. I do grant that I do not read Hebrew, so am taking the word of others, here, as to the Hebrew words.

    There is also a passage in the NT which says "All things were made by Him" (Christ). (Jn. 1:3) And another that says "all things were created by Him." (Col. 1:16) There may also be others that I cannot recall off the top of my head, here. However, I'm not sure that either " ginomai " or " ktizO " are carrying exactly the same force as " bara' ".

    Hope that helps a little.

    Ed
     
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    This is on God's authority. Many churches, and believers take the word of the world on this one, i.e. wine is a "bad" thing.
     

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