Seventh-day Adventists. Fifth largest Christian denomination World Wide

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  1. BobRyan

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    and your point?

    The article also states:
    but at the same time a decade-high 828,968 people were removed from the books after dying, leaving the church, or disappearing.
     
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    If "I were a baptist" I might read that article and say to myself "Hmmm - we have been using name calling and vitriol for so long with some of those who differ with us and it just does not work... maybe we should switch to using Bible study".

    Or something like that.

    In the 70's I believe there was an article published stating that Southern Baptists were near the top at around 14 million and SDAs were around 4 million.

    Why not "improve" the level of discourse instead of assuming that "a little more vitriol today and then... everyone becomes Baptist".

    There is only so much posting along the lines of "well I will not have a good answer for that text - but I do have a lot of emotion and sincerity and down right enthusiasm for my POV" -- before it starts to look Catholic in some respects.

    The Protestant Reformation was pretty adamant about a sola scriptura test even if it meant leaving some of their long-held traditions behind them.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Just means that the SDA is now becoming the second largest cult in the world today, finally outdoing the Mormons!
     
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    There is absolutely nothing Christian about teaching that people must go to church on the sabbath or never enter the Kingdom of God.
     
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    :thumbs:
    :thumbs::applause:
     
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    Noteworthy, and true. I agree that we must remove the vitriol from our Christian insights and posts. Underline "must".

    And I'm in agreement with sola scriptura. Where else do we find Truth?

    :praying::praying::praying:
     
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    The SDA is NOT in agreement on that though, for just as the Mormons and JW they have additional revelations equal to the scriptures, from a so called prophetess, and view themselves as being the true church!
     
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    No offense, Bob, but I can pretty much guarantee you that "improving the level of discourse" between our faiths, while it might accomplish some level of social change, will gain us nothing spiritually.

    While us Baptists may often disagree over doctrinal issues, we by and large hold to the same gospel. The SDAs do not hold to that gospel. The SDAs have a higher level of legalism than many Baptists hold to. Also, very very few Baptists will dictate a specific day for worship, especially a day that is a requirement for some type of salvation. No Baptist that I know would dare to tell someone that worshiping on Sunday instead of Saturday was actually the Mark of the Beast.

    Just a hunch...
     
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    And "who" do you have for that quote other than "you'??
     
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    Still it is the Christian thing to do.


    Depends on whether you claim that arbitrarily selecting a few for salvation and that they don't even need to accept the gospel to be saved as SavedByMercy argues is the 'same gospel' as the Romans 10 sequence which is quote the opposite.

    Even the various posters on the C-vs-A board will point out that the opposing view is not the same gospel.

    We hold to the Arminian one, the one in the Bible.

    You need to read the "Ten Commandments" thread #1 where the "Baptist Confession of Faith" is being upheld by ... me .. .while it is being run down by 2 or 3 baptists on this board -- before going too far down that road.

    Is God Baptist??

    Did He make a mistake in Ex 20?

    Even the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and D.L.Moody and the Westminster Confession of Faith and many others admit that the Sabbath Commandment as God gave it to mankind in Eden was on a very specific day of the week.

    you need to read that thread #1 before going down that road.

    My point here is not that Baptists are Seventh-day Adventists... obviously.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    I would hope it is readily evident that savedbymercy does not hold to the gospel as presented in the Bible. Now, I can see where both the Calvinist and the Arminian are coming from in their respective views, and while I probably lean more Arminian than Calvinist, I don't claim either. That's more a tendency of mine to avoid lumping myself into a group. (Example: I vote in every election but I have never claimed true affiliation with a political party...though I tell folks that I lean more Libertarian than anything.)

    I haven't been involved in that thread to a great extent, other than a couple of posts.

    The only thing is, Bob, holding to legalism like that is risky. Consider these verses, showing Christianity's ties to the Law:
    Under Christ the priesthood was changed from corruptible men to incorruptible God. Since the priesthood changed, and since the Law was fulfilled in Christ, who did so for us, we are no longer bound by the law.
    Much grief was given over dietary restrictions and the like, yet Jesus informs the multitude that it isn't what we eat that defiles us, but rather what we say/teach/preach that can defile us. This is a change from the law.
    Christ explains here that the old legalist tradition of doing no work on Sabbath was already broken many times over, but there were good reasons for it. David took shewbread from the Temple because he was starving. Christ tells the Pharisees that if one of them had a sheep fall in a pit on the Sabbath, they would most assuredly move to save the sheep. That is no different from Christ, even though it stood in opposition to the legalist tradition under the Law. All of these claims were made so as not to "profane the Temple," yet Christ tells us, and since He dwells within us, that there is one among us who is "greater than the temple."

    Do you believe if Christ was willing to show how the Law was changed by grace, and to take on Himself the role of perfect eternal priest, that He's really going to punish us, or bar us entry from Heaven or the perfected Earth of Revelation 21, simply because we chose to worship on Sunday instead of Saturday?

    I wouldn't call God a Baptist, though I believe that the core Baptist traditions are most closely in line with Biblical teaching than, say Catholicism. I also believe, though, that the saved of every denomination will reach Glory with God and we'll realize, if it were possible, just how much we had missed doctrinally speaking.
     
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    Who's publication is <Christianity Today>?

    What did God do to the people when David let them be counted?

    <How many pieces of clothing have you given to the poor (the past week)?>

    And many more such questions and answers had to be filled in and submitted for the records every Sabbath when I used to be Seventh-day Adventist.

    God save the nation
     
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    Baptist confession of faith?

    There is so many differences in Baptist beliefs among the different groups.

    Besides, just because a statement is made - churches as well as individuals are no obligation to accept it.
     
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    You are welcome to condemn the Baptist Confession of Faith as "legalism" if you like -- but that ends your claim that you accept them as teaching the same Gospel as you.

    Can't have it both ways.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    This is the OP from that link that some appear to prefer to call legalism. It contains the view of the majority of even pro-sunday scholarship today.

     
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    My argument about the "Baptist Confession of Faith" is not "so you must believe in it" -- Obviously I am not baptist and do not complain if someone else is not Baptist or is not "that sort of Baptist".

    I bring up their 7 point list so erase the confusion some people have as to whether the debate is really a difference of views "just with SDAs" or is with "Baptist, SDAs and almost everyone all up and down the street".

    Perspective so that the "oh no it is just SDAs" thing comes up only when it is actually true.

    in Christ,

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    SBM claims that it is Calvinism and I am one of those that does not believe that Calvinism itself is how salvation or the Gospel is described in the Bible.

    I think there are one or two on the C-v-A board that say that same thing about those on the opposing side from themselves. So I am not the only one to notice it.


    Paul and Christ seem to take a different view of it than what you have stated.



    I assume you believe 2 Tim 3:16 that the bible is not "legalist tradition' but rather is the "inspired word of God".

    So while it is true that at the time of Christ there were many Mark 7:6-13 examples of man-made tradition opposing what Christ called the "word of Moses" and "The Commandments of God" and the "Word of God" in that section of Mark 7... it is not true that Christ considered scripture to be nothing above 'legalist tradition' as He points out to us in Matt 5. I think you agree with this.

    IF in fact the Bible could be reduced to "legalist tradition" then the OT is "another Gospel". Yet Paul says in Gal 1:6-9 that in both OT and NT -- only 1 Gospel -- not two.

    Christ fulfilled both the moral law and the ceremonial law - but moral law is not "predictive" it is prescriptive so it remains in effect like the speed limit. Having one person go "the speed limit" does not delete that law.

    These are evidences in favor of at least 6 of the 7 points taken by the "Baptist Confession of Faith"

    in Christ,

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    I don't claim that people who keep Sunday cannot go to heaven nor do I teach that Catholics cannot go to heaven. There are saints in all denominations.

    But if you are asking about "the future" well then I have to tell you that "yes" I do believe that in heaven Catholics will not be "praying to the dead" nor "bowing before images" if they are one of the saints.

    And the Is 66:23 statement about the Sabbath and the New Heavens and New Earth -- is "true" even if some prefer to believe that the prediction it makes is false.

    "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL Mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

    in Christ,

    Bob
     

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