Sexual immorality

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  1. Brother Shane

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    With the schism in the Anglican communion, the Constitutional amendment in the United States to define marriage as between a man and a woman, and in light of various ‘human rights’ laws around the world that vilify those who speak against homosexuality, more Christians are asking what the Christian position towards homosexuality should be. While only a tiny percentage of people are homosexual, the gay lifestyle is becoming mainstream – at least in some circles and in the media. Let’s examine what the Bible says about homosexuality, and clear up a few myths in the process.

    First, let’s start with some fundamental groundwork. Some people, uneducated in scripture, are under the mistaken impression that all forms of sexuality are sinful according to the Bible. With this misconception, they readily disregard anything the Bible might say with regards to sexuality, choosing instead to side with their sexual desires. What they don’t understand is that they are completely wrong. Sex is a creation of God, who pronounced all His creation “good!” Sexuality is not sinful. It is a wonderful part of God’s plan.

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  2. Brother Shane

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    God put a limit on sex, though. Yes, a limit – only one. There is no long dissertation on the do’s and don’ts of sex. The only caveat to the enjoyment of sex is this: sex is meant to be enjoyed in the context of marriage – not outside of it. Unfortunately, these days we must be specific. Sex is to be enjoyed within the context of a marriage between a man and a woman. That’s it! That’s the limit. Genesis 2:24-25 says, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” Hebrew 13:4 says, “Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.” All sexual sins (i.e. promiscuity, adultery, homosexuality, prostitution, etc.) are sins because they do not conform to the limit of sex being a marital activity. Now of course some of you will point out the list of sexual activity prohibited by the Mosaic laws, but let’s not address those issues of the law from which Paul said we are now free. Instead, let’s stick to those ancient commands that endure eternal. To that end, the above-mentioned single rule is how we are to judge sexual morality.

    The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were the first recorded in the Bible to face punishment for their sexual perversion. In Genesis chapter 19, we find two angels that pay a visit to Lot’s home in Sodom. In verse four, we find that “all the men from every part of Sodom” surrounded Lot’s house, and told Lot to bring out his visitors “so that we can have sex with them.” The pro-homosexual revisionist argues that the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah was that the residents wanted to commit an act of rape. That the rape would have been homosexual is not an issue, according to their argument. However, Jude 7 indicates that Sodom and Gomorrah’s punishment was due to their sexual perversion. Their sin was not simply one of violence (rape) but of sexual immorality (homosexuality). As further evidence of the sinful nature of homosexuality, Leviticus 18:22, and 20:13 both describe homosexuality as “an abomination.”
     
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    God loves His entire creation. That's why He sent His Son to redeem it from the consequences of sin.
     
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    No, God hates. Don't you read your Bible? There is a lot of scripture that says what God hates. God hates homosexuality.

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    Have you ever read John 3:16?

    Are you a disciple of Fred Phelps? Unfortunately, you sound like one.
     
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    For God so loved the world, thats before HE sent Jesus.
    God loved us before we loved Him.
    yep, the bible says God loves us all, thats why He sent Jesus. God hates sin the bible says. But He loves us or He would not have sent Jesus,a dn the bible does say that.
    And the use of the word 'fag' shows a lack of christian love for those in need of JEsus. ANd thats not what God wants.
     
  7. Brother Shane

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    It says no such thing. The word translated "world" in that verse (kosmos) NEVER means every individual of mankind who has ever lived (see, e.g., John 17:9). Romans 9:13 says that God hated Esau, and Psalm 5:5 says that God hates all WORKERS of iniquity (e.g., fags). Other examples are Proverbs 6:16-19, Psalm 11:5, and Malachi 1:3. Given these verses, how can you say God loves everyone? Can you really say "God loves everyone" when God says "I hated Esau?" Does God love the people in hell?
     
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    We use the word "fag" as a contraction of the word "faggot" or "fagot." A "fag" is a firebrand. A "fag" is used for kindling - it fuels fire. "Fag" is a metaphor used in the Bible, for example, in Amos 4:11 (where it is translated "firebrand" in the KJV). Just as a "fag" fuels the fires of nature, so does a sodomite fuel the fires of God's wrath. We do not use the word "fag" in order to engage in childish name-calling. Rather, we use it because it is a metaphor chosen by the Holy Ghost to describe a group of people who BURN in their lust one toward another, and who FUEL God's wrath.
     
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    God hates the sin, but He loves the sinner. Matthew 9:10-12, And it happened that as He was reclining at the table in the house, behold many tax-gathers and sinners came and joined Jesus and His disciples at the table.
    11, And when the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, why does your Teacher eat with the tax-gatherers and sinners?
    12, But when He heard this, He said, it is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are ill. NASB
     
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    Can you show us in Scripture please where the Holy Ghost chose that word as a metaphor for homosexual?
     
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    Oh no, here we go again! :D

    The Amos use of firebrand refers to the remnants of Israel who were saved time and again from total destruction as judgement for their sins. It has nothing to do with homosexuals. Using "firebrand" unbiblically to refer to homosexuals and then transforming it into the word "faggot" or "fag" is merely a lame attempt to justify the use of a modern vulgarity.

    The words "faggot", "fag", and even "firebrand" are never used in the Bible to refer to homosexuals.
     
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    Pappy said:

    "A 'fag' is a firebrand ... We do not use the word 'fag' in order to engage in childish name-calling. Rather, we use it because it is a metaphor chosen by the Holy Ghost to describe a group of people who BURN in their lust one toward another, and who FUEL God's wrath. "

    So you say. Have you bothered to consult a good dictionary on the matter? It is, in fact, childish name calling. And Amos 4:11 is totally beside the point; it has nothing to do with "faggot," except in English.

    By your analogy, heterosexual lust is equivalent because heterosexuals burn with lust.
     
  13. TexasSky

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    Can the mods just close and lock this thread?
    Anyone who posts that God does not love His creation can't be Baptist.
     
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    So is that what you were talking about? Kendling?
    If not change your word usage.
     
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    Psalm 11:5 "The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
     
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    Just for the record, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for their lack of compassion, not for sexual sin.
     
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    Oh when will the all rhetoric end? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
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    ;) Never, it's a discussion board! [​IMG]
     
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    God hates the sin, but He loves the sinner.

    Bull! Did God burn the sodomy or the sodomite?
     
  20. TexasSky

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    Pappy,

    Did God say He came to condemn the world or to save it?
    Did God say He came for the saints or the sinners?
    Did God say love was the most important commandment or not?
     

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