"Shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

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  1. Mark Osgatharp

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    "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

    "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

    These two passages, the first from I Corinthians and the second from Galatians, have occasioned much misunderstanding as they relate to the subject of the doctrine of salvation by grace and eternal security of the believer. The passages are most commonly interpreted in one of two ways:

    1. Those who do not believe in eternal security take these passages to mean that if a child of God commits these sins and does not subsequently repent, he will be barred from entering heaven when he dies.

    2. Many of those who do believe in eternal security take these passages to mean that if a man is "truly saved" he won't commit these sins, or will immediately repent if he does, or won't live a life characterized by these sins (which if it means anything means a saved man won't commit these sins too much.

    Both of these interpretations fail to capture the true meaning of Paul. These statements are nothing other than an expansion of the statement that,

    "the wages of sin is death."

    Had Paul said "sinners shall not inherit the kingdom of God" it would have meant the same thing.

    If we take these statements in context, we see that in both I Corinthians and Galatians Paul makes a clear distinction between saved people who do these things and lost people who do these thing. In I Corinthians he says, "and such were some of you but ye are washed." And then he says of such people, "all things are lawful unto me but not all things are expedient."

    The only respect in which "all things are lawful" is that there is nothing that a child of God can do that will damn his soul to hell. The fact that the "lawful" things here are the sins listed by Paul is proved by the fact that he says that fornication is the thing that is "not expedient."

    What Paul does is appeal to the Corninthian's sense of moral dignity and respect for Christ and His Holy Spirit rather than threatening them with the damnation of hell. Ironically, men have misused his words exactly opposite of how he intended them.

    In Galatians we find the same distinciton made. After stating that these "works of the flesh" bar men from entering God's kingdom, Paul says that,

    "They that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with it's affections and lust."

    Some will take this to mean that a man who belongs to Christ has, practically speaking, put away sin from his life. But such is not the case. Paul went on to say,

    "If we live in the Spirit let us also walk in the Spirit."

    We see that having "crucified the flesh" is the same as to "live in the Spirit." Mark it down! Being "live" in the Spirit is not the same thing as to "walk" in the Spirit.

    Because a man is not walking in the Spirit does not prove he is not alive in the Spirit. Therefore the idea that you can tell whether or not a man is saved by how he walks falls flat on it's face!

    To be alive in the Spirit is simply to be born of God - to have had spiritual life imparted through faith in Christ. As Jesus said,

    "He that heareth my word and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life."

    But to walk in the Spirit is to allow the Spirit to control our life in a practical way and to choke out the "works of the flesh" which condemned us when we were yet "dead in trespasses and in sins."

    This, I believe with all my heart, is the true understanding of the "shall not inherit the kingdom of God" passages.

    Mark Osgatharp
     
  2. Artimaeus

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    How about, "You're a Christian...now act like it."
     
  3. Me2

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    I hope this makes some sense...

    first those who inherit the kingdom..

    the firstfruits of Christ..His Bride

    Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

    Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
    Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

    Jam 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

    Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
    Rom 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

    the creation groans because of the order within the harvest. the firstfruits are gathered first, and then the main harvest..
    the creation itself.

    the firstfruits are those who are called the bride of Christ.
    it is a portion of followers of the called within the kingdom of God. it is the firstfruits who "inherits" the kingdom of heaven.
    another name for the firstfruits of Christ are the Sons of God.

    Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
    Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
    Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
    Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
    Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

    what glory?..the eternal glory that Jesus had before the foundation of the world..ahh another mystery..

    1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

    are we speaking of the eternal glory that Jesus our lord receives and we are allowed to participate in after WE RECOGNIZE BY FAITH that HE defeated death..
    ie, the revelation of Jesus Christ..remember the book that John wrote. where was he at?., and who did he see?..what more interesting is when did this events occur?
    this is the lamb slain before the foundation of the world in the spirit realm (hint,hint,hint)

    John saw the Sons of God giving worship to their lord before the foundation of the world. participating in the activities of the creation, and continuing recreation of Gods "creation"..
    that eternal glory..in the spirit realm.

    so what is the name of those who are not the "inheriters" of heaven but rather citizens or children of God.

    Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

    all believers..even reprobates participate, or are given an invitation to participate, in the marriage supper of the lamb..by faith.

    but only a portion of them are actually in the group that makes up the bride.

    remember the many called, few chosen...

    this is what Im getting at..the Sons of God are those who are chosen.

    and part of this understanding is pertaining to who they are. the Holy Spirit allows the sons of God by faith to see these events occurring like he showed John and allowed John to write a record of that "vision" of revelations.
    that is inheriting the kingdom. recognizing that Jesus is the Lord of Glory...

    so what think ye?

    Me2
     
  4. Mark Osgatharp

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    Me2,

    If you mean to say there will be a special reward for faithfulness, then I agree. I'm not quite sure about all the particulars you have raised though.

    As far as being in the kingdom of God, believers are already in the kingdom spiritually. "Who hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear son." This is made possible by the new birth wherein our spirit is made perfect.

    But, as Paul also said, "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" because "neither does corruption inherit incorruption." None of us are fit to enter God's kingdom bodily at present, for none of us are entirely free from sin. Only when we are delivered from every vestige of sin in the resurrection will we be fully redeemed, mind, body, and spirit.

    Even so come Lord Jesus!

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  5. Me2

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    We are in heaven now....we are merely uncapable of distinguishing its existence.

    it contains both the spiritual works of both Good and evil. all spiritual beings.

    Gods plan is to expose all of his children to both Good and evil. and eventually destroy the works of Evil.
    and covering over the enevitable evil works by the blood of Christ and removing all enmity between Himself and his children.
    while leaving the Knowledge of both good and evil within the Sons of God. the representatives of Mankind for all eternity. the sons are the recorder of History of mankind.

    hence the conclusion of a new heaven and new earth. it is christ understanding within you being unveiled...just like revelations. only in each believers timing. they are witnessing a new heaven and earth being created before their spiritual eyes.. (while still in our mortal bodies) Our Lord is removing the evil and only leaving the good.

    the glory of God doesnt allow any works of the flesh to be a part of Mankinds past. while the sons are capable of being quickened in their flesh. the rest of mankind is not and their lives and works will not be recorded. only those who have been "in christ". just as you see everyones lives being lived out and the creations that man produces. the only thing in heaven or in our afterlife will only be that of those quickened while they were "in christ".

    it is those who are "in christ" who have been conform to "this image" who inherit "the image".

    the "new heaven" is "christ within you".

    1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
    1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
    1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

    but another part of this mystery..we inherit the entire history of Christ. his glory from eternal past to eternal future.

    the sons of God are the representatives of Mankind..the firstfrutis. the inheriters of heaven or christ in you....

    so the next question would be,

    if the sons of God are the representatives of the Glory of Christ.

    do they serve a purpose in heaven, or in ages to come that is different than the rest of the children of God?

    Me2
     
  6. Major B

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    The Old Baptists referred to eternal security as "the perseverance of the saints." They recognized that where there is no changed life, there is no salvation. It is not that people persevere and therefore are saints, but that they are, as the result of their salvation, indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and He always makes His presence felt. The entire Bible from beginning to end emphasizes this over and over. Two entire books, 1 John and James, are largely dedicated to testing the reality of salvation, and that reality is not found in a profession, but in love, doctrine, and lifestyle.

    The heresy that there could be salvation without a resulting changed life has been called various names, "antinomianism," "Sandemanianism (from Robert Sandeman, a 18th century British heretic), and so on, but the word heresy will do.
     
  7. Mark Osgatharp

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    Major B,

    The passages in question do not teach that the new birth results in a changed life. They teach that we have an obligation to change our life because we have been born again.

    While I certainly do not contend that everyone who makes some sort of religious profession is actually regenerated, the passages in Paul, as well as I John or James, are addressed to unquestionably regenerated people. There is nothing in them about "testing the reality of salvation."

    There is everything in them about calling on believers to render obedience to God and continue steadfast in the faith.

    You say that salvation brings about a changed life. I ask, how much of a change? After Paul listed the "works of the flesh" in Galatians he said that those who "commit such things" shall not inherit God's kingdom. If we interpret that to mean that those who "commit such things" are not really born again, then the only people who could be considered born again are those who are sinlessly perfect.

    You fail to realize that Paul, as well as John and James, make a clear dileniation between the spirit, which is regenerate, and the flesh, which is not regenerate. Their call is for believers to strive to walk the reality that already exists in the spirit.

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  8. Dr. Bob

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    Your entire post is NOT what the Bible teaches about heaven, Me2. It is not orthodox Christian belief.

    Where did you come up with this? What Scripture supports this position?

    Thanks. Feel free to START A NEW THREAD on your view of heaven if you would like.
     
  9. dianetavegia

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    Am I allowed to say Crap on this board?

    All new age teaching! Garbage!

    Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
     
  10. Terry_Herrington

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    Major B,

    The passages in question do not teach that the new birth results in a changed life. They teach that we have an obligation to change our life because we have been born again.

    While I certainly do not contend that everyone who makes some sort of religious profession is actually regenerated, the passages in Paul, as well as I John or James, are addressed to unquestionably regenerated people. There is nothing in them about "testing the reality of salvation."

    There is everything in them about calling on believers to render obedience to God and continue steadfast in the faith.

    You say that salvation brings about a changed life. I ask, how much of a change? After Paul listed the "works of the flesh" in Galatians he said that those who "commit such things" shall not inherit God's kingdom. If we interpret that to mean that those who "commit such things" are not really born again, then the only people who could be considered born again are those who are sinlessly perfect.

    You fail to realize that Paul, as well as John and James, make a clear dileniation between the spirit, which is regenerate, and the flesh, which is not regenerate. Their call is for believers to strive to walk the reality that already exists in the spirit.

    Mark Osgatharp
    </font>[/QUOTE]Good post Mark. Thank you for this insight.

    One Scripture that was brought to my mind concerning this is:


    5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
    6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
    7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
    8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
    2 Peter 1:5-9(KJV)
     
  11. Mark Osgatharp

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    Terry,

    Amen! That passage shows just how far backslidden it is possible for a believer to be. I believe as strongly as anyone in eternal security, but those who do not could make a better case from such Scriptures than those who say it is impossible for a child of God to backslide.

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  12. Artimaeus

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    I had to look that word up. Found this interesting and [​IMG]

    ANTINOMIANISM
    In doctrinal usage the term antinomianism (anti, “against,” and nomos, “law,” i.e., “against law”) refers to the teaching that Christians are not responsible to obey the moral law of Scripture. Antinomianism is generally based on either (1) the erroneous conclusion that the free grace of God relieves the believer from any moral obligation, or (2) the false assumption that matter is inherently evil and therefore bodily behavior should not be restrained by moral laws (Jud 4; cf. Ro 6:1–2; Ga 5:13–14; 1 Pe 2:16). It is true that the New Covenant has superseded the Old Covenant (2 Co 3:3–11; Ga 3:15–4:31; Col 2:14; Heb 8:1–10:18) and that the NT believer is not under the Mosaic Covenant as a unified system (Ro 6:14; 7:4; Ga 2:19; 3:13–14; 4:4–7; 5:1, 10, 18; 1 Ti 1:8–10 (cf. Ro 10:4). However, the Christian is “not...without the law of God but under the law of Christ” (1 Co 9:21; cf. Ga 6:2). Therefore Christians are responsible to obey Christ’s moral commandments (e.g., Jn 13:34–35; 14:21; Ga 6:2; 1 Jo 5:3) and OT revelation as interpreted in light of the NT (cf. Mt 5:17; 22:37–40; 2 Ti 3:16–17).
    NASB Topical Index, (La Habra, CA: The Lockman Foundation) 1999, c1992.
     
  13. Me2

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    Dr bob,

    perhaps you can enlist your knowledge of heaven and who will inherit it, and who will not and then we can compare..

    I have stuck my beliefs on the table for all to observe and question.
    if you question them, question them individually, for there is a specific reference of the things I speak about.

    I say the "Sons of God", the firstfruits.

    Me2
     

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