Sharia law comes to Walmart?

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  1. Revmitchell

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    My daughter Aubrey and I arrived in Dallas and our home in Woodbridge on Sunday morning. We had departed from Palm Beach Gardens Saturday evening after we watched Austen head off for her senior prom — a doggone big deal, dads!

    Back in Dallas, after we unloaded the U-Haul, Aubrey, a very organized young lady, began the initial arranging of her room. And then came the request — “Dad, I know you haven’t been eating well here, so we need to go grocery shopping.” Dang it! This is what happens when your daughter is pursuing a Masters in Molecular/Cellular Biology. So we were off to the local Walmart Superstore just up the road. We gathered up her desired foodstuffs and headed to the checkout — and then this happened.

    There was a young man doing the checkout and another Walmart employee came over and put up a sign, “No alcohol products in this lane.” So being the inquisitive fella I am, I used my additional set of eyes — glasses — to see the young checkout man’s name. Let me just say it was NOT “Steve.”

    I pointed the sign out to Aubrey and her response was a simple question, how is it that this Muslim employee could refuse service to customers based on his religious beliefs, but Christians are being forced to participate in specific events contrary to their religious beliefs?

    Boy howdy, that is one astute young lady.

    Imagine that, this employee at Walmart refused to just scan a bottle or container of an alcoholic beverage — and that is acceptable. A Christian business owner declines to participate or provide service to a specific event — a gay wedding — which contradicts their faith, and the State crushes them.

    http://allenbwest.com/2015/05/sharia-law-comes-to-walmart/
     
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    The customers were not denied service, they simply had someone else ring up their alcohol. Surely you can see the difference.

    Years ago they tried this at Target stores here in Minneapolis. Muslim cashiers would not ring up pork products. I had it happen to me. They called over another person to ring up the pork. Enough people complained and Target stopped having Muslims work the checkout lanes. I'm sure the free market will take care of this.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17665989/...ifts-muslims-who-wont-ring-pork/#.VVDA05PVrjY
     
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    First off, the sensationalist title, invoking "Sharia Law" is flat out dishonest. No, I'll call it what it is. It's a lie. It's not law, which implies coercion. It's WalMart catering to a person's religious beliefs.



    Also, one lane closed down does not stop someone from receiving service there.



    Additionally, it would be more akin to a baker baking a cake for a gay wedding, but refusing to put two men on top. You're still getting served, but only if you don't push too far.



    Another point, how old was this kid? Some places you can't be a minor and sell alcohol.



    So many things wrong with this. It's not even a comparison at all.
     
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    It's from the Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity school of "news". State something provocative and frame it as a leading question, i.e. "you really think this would be in the news if Hillary had said this?" Thus we have, "Sharia law at WalMart" ???
     
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    The Sharia Law comes into play here because the Muslim does not serve alcohol because of Sharia Law. That is not a lie.

    The refusal to ring up the alcohol is based on their religious objections (Sharia Law) and this is acceptable.

    When Christians refuse service to homosexuals they are slammed by the courts.

    The product or service has little relevance.

    Regardless of the product the comparison is equal, right, and just.
     
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    The customers at Wal Mart were not denied their alcohol.
     
  7. Don

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    Rev, I understand what you're trying to say; but this is only really news if a Christian decides they don't want to sell alcoholic beverages at Wal-mart, particularly the same Wal-mart, and are told to do it anyway.
     
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    The law allows Muslims to refuse to sell a product. It matters not that someone else in the store will go ahead and sell it.

    (bythe way it is also against muslim law, sharia, for a muslim to work where they sell it)

    Anyway, this is a contradiction in the way Christians are treated.
     
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    If I were a strict Baptist fundamentalist, it would be against my beliefs to sell alcohol. I've been in churches where members were "advised" to stop working in places where such things were sold. So the law should allow a Christian to refuse to sell a product as well. If it's proved that Christians are treated differently than muslims, then your post is perfectly valid. If Christians are treated the same--meaning, Christians aren't forced to sell certain products--then we have to take a step back, because the argument is no longer valid.

    So it's not totally a contradiction until you show that Wal-mart is actually treating Christians differently.

    The other thing to consider is that we're talking about what Wal-mart requires or doesn't require of its employees. The comparison to other businesses being forced to perform services is thus invalid. If any of those businesses had employees who were willing to bake the cake or provide the service, and were told NOT to; or weren't willing, and were told to do it; then the comparison would stand.

    You're really trying to compare a business with how a particular business worked with an individual employee. And the secondary problem with that is, we don't know right now if that's all Wal-marts, or just that particular one.

    So really, your thread title is simple hyperbole.
     
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    I agree the law should allow us to refuse to take part in anything that is against out religion. Neither I nor the author of the op disagrees with that.

    It is a contradiction legal wise. What walmatr does or doesn't do is not in the picture here.

    The title of the op is not hyperbole. However, I did not choose it I just transferred the name of the article as it was posted. It is a fact that the refusal to not sell was based on the Muslim following sharia law even if they broke sharia law by working where the even sell alcohol.
     
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    Sure it is. We're talking about a specific, nation-wide business. In the case of the pizza place that was vilified for not wanting to host a gay wedding party, or the bakery that didn't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding, we're talking about a business that made that choice not to serve a particular group of people. In the case of this story, a business chose not to force an employee to sell a certain product, but allowed that product to be sold by other employees.

    Further, the story has been updated:
    So the whole thing seemed to have nothing to do with the kid's name.

    Here's where the title is hyperbole: If that was the original title of the story, it, like the update, has been changed. The title now reads: "More ominous signs of Christian persecution"

    If the author changed it, then the author should acknowledge the title change so as not to cause confusion with those that might have re-printed the original title and story -- such as has happened here.

    If that wasn't the author's original title, and someone else used the "Sharia law" words in the title of this thread, then they're misrepresenting the article, and guilty of invoking hyperbole.
     
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    No I copy and pasted as it was. However, I do not agree it was hyperbole. The objection to selling was based on sharia law. That is fact. I would not have used that title but my agreement with the article had nothing to do with the title.

    Underage people not selling alcohol is irrelevant to the reason the Mulsim did not. Even in a private owned business there are legitimate reasons why services can be refused. Until it comes to the religious reasons Christians use.

    Why have no Muslim bakeries been harassed about not baking cakes for homosexuals?
    The point is made here. The issue with the title is a distraction from the larger point.
     
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    There was nothing about Sharia in the title when I clicked on the link. Here is the title that showed:

    The link says sharia. Guess it was to attract people.

    Also the word sharia does not appear in the article. Yellow journalism at it best; nasty and deceitful.
     
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    He updated the title when he updated the post. The ending on the link reflect the original title which is what happens in blog posts.
     
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    Now it just occurred to me. Why is it acceptable for a baker to refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple, but not acceptable for a Muslim to refuse to sell alcohol for Walmart?
     
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    No one said it was not acceptable that a Muslim refuse to sell alcohol. I suggest you actually read the article posted in the op.
     
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    I fully believe that the title of the article changed between the time you started this thread, and the point at which I found the edits.

    Here's my problem with the article: The author jumped to a conclusion. So what if the boy's name wasn't American? How do we know the boy didn't convert to Judaism or even Christianity? But because there's a sign on his check-out lane saying "no alcohol," and his name was guessed to be middle eastern, BINGO -- "we've got a muslim forcing his beliefs down our throats!" Then we find out the explanation given by that particular Wal-mart is because the boy was under 21, and legally isn't able to sell alcohol. Which could mean this middle eastern boy, who already is breaking sharia law just by working there, possibly doesn't have a problem with breaking more sharia law by selling alcohol. Except he's not legally allowed to.

    Too many jumps here, Rev. I just can't get on board with this one.

    EXCELLENT QUESTION. May I submit that it's because those who are harassing Christians are basically bullies, who think because we don't respond like muslims, we're weak and can be treated like school-yard sissies? And they're afraid that if they do point out the hypocrisy, and try to do the same with muslims -- some radical muslim may actually bloody their nose? And you know how bullies are about people standing up to them....

    Respectfully disagree.
     
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    disregard....
     
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    Ok at least there is a reasoned discussion here instead of useless claims of hyperbole. Allen was not suggesting that anyone was forcing their beliefs. His entire concern was allowing a Muslim to object to a service while slamming Christians in similar areas. People can say the same thing and mean different things behind it. Just because one person might not say something they same way you or I would does not make it hyperbole, sensational, or dishonest. We need to take a moment and discover what the author meant behind their words.
     
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    And yet, if his original title of his thread was "Sharia Law Comes to Walmart," how can we NOT call that hyperbole?
     

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