Should Israel negotiate with Hezbollah?

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  1. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I hear more and more folks stating that negotiating with Hezbollah is the only way for Israel to have peace. Just heard it for the upteenth time from some liberal idiot on Fox News. Do you agree? Should they hold hands with the terrorists and give peace a chance?

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  2. KenH

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    No way. Hezbollah should be destroyed unless its members unconditionally surrender and disarm.
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    When someone breaks into your house with a gun and tries to kill you and your family, do you try to negotiate with them? Of course not. What do you do? You fight! You fight for your very life and that is what Israel is doing.
     
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    No. And the Baaka Valley needs wiped out, which Reagan failed to do in 1983. It would have prevented a lot of loss of human life and sent a powerful message to the terrorists of the world had the Secretary of Defense not overridden the CIC. Reagan forgave him, according to the special I just saw on CNN. Peace does not have a chance with terrorists, as was proven in the Israeli Gaza pullout, land for peace deal.
     
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    IMO, the only negotiations that should take place at this point would be the terms of surrender for Hezbollah to Israel. Since this will never happen, I say there should be no negotiations. We should never EVER negotiate with terrorists. Why haven't the so called educated, enlightened middle east "experts" figured that out yet? Why are they so incredibly stupid?

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    is it possible that this is asking the wrong question. who cares abt Hezbollah or Hamas or Fatah?

    perhaps the pertinent question is what to do w the Palestinians. shd they continue to be caged in for, say, another 50 yrs? so far they're not too good at rolling over n saying uncle. shd they be given a Final Solution?

    that's the question to think abt. solve that, n Hezbollah won't be that significant, IMO. :thumbsup:
     
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    As long as they continue to elect and support terrorist regimes, I quite frankly, don't care what happens to them. They have done nothing to deserve anything but what they have recieved. I am sorry for those who are moderates and Christians who live with the effects of the majority's bad decisions (and yes...they are out there). But that is the way countries go many times. If they want a two state solution, disarm the terrorists and let them make the next step toward peace. Israel has already stuck out the olive branch of peace too many times to have it returned with a 12 year old with a bomb strapped their backs.

    Here is the final solution for Palestinians:

    • Acknowledge Israel's right to exist.
    • Disarm the Terrorists.
    • Stop teaching their children to hate Jews.
    • Run Hamas out of town on a rail.
    When they do that, they can have their state and their dignity. Until then, let them be caged in like animals.

    Hezbollah is, likewise, a terrorist organization who is committed to destroying Israel and killing Jews. They are funded by Syria and Iran. They must be defeated...not negotiated with. BTW, FSIH, are you a member of Hezbollah or Hamas? I wonder only because you seem to be quite the apologist for terrorists these days...and also seem to have the same amount of anti-semitic hatred for Jews.

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    Are you so deluded as to think that these extremists will sit down and be satisfied with anything short of the total destruction of Israel?
     
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    u seem more sympathetic w people other than ur own brethren in the places affected. or perhaps they aren't ur brethren? i can't tell, as there seems to be a fair amt of vengeful hatred directed toward the Palestinians, too bad. hmm, where's the love?

    wow, i see u're willing to use the term final solution!
    i think that much was acknowledged by the PA (altho Hamas still rejects it on paper).
    r u kidding? how n who do u propose to do that? a new, armed Palestinian police force? this may be ur toughest step.
    does the teaching go the other way as well?
    this may be the easiest. if u succeed in the preceding steps, u may not find any Hamas to run out at all!
    maybe they ARE animals after all! otherwise why wld they behave the way they do?!

    i've tried to apply for a H&H membership card, but currently they're not accepting baptists just yet. see, proof positive that they're an intolerant bunch! :D

    ew, n aren't we so scared at being called the A-word! but somehow hatred of non-Jewish Semites, these caged animals, is not anti-semitic. ;)

    n calling for just that modicum of Christian fairness is, um, apologetics for terrorists. interesting stuff!
     
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    actually, you slipped the words into the conversation . . .

     
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    yes, tongue firmly in cheek, n not expecting Botwinick to take it up!
     
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    Since I would like to see the Israelis and Palestinians at peace instead of killing each other, I would support what actually works. If negotiating works, maybe they should try peace.

    But, several times that Israel actually made a peaceful move, their hardliners killed off high ranking Israelis or start a terror campaign to kill the peace. If we negotiate for peace, let us pray that the extremists on both sides are silenced.
     
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    It has been noted that I am fast on the draw - a hereditary attribute that some find annoying. Darn it! In the old days, they didn't live long enough to be annoyed . . .

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    Those who are the elect in Christ are my brethern. I have no use for hatred in my heart for anyone. I gave up my hatred towards Muslims a long time ago. Acknowledging the fact that they elected and support terrorists after Israel forcefully removed the Jewish settlers out of the Gaza Strip and utulized their own IDF to protect Palestinians from being stoned by Jewish extremists is not a matter of hatred. It is a matter of fact and record. To say that the Palestinians have not earned the right to have a state is not a matter of hatred, it is a matter of fact and record. If they are unwilling to accept Israel and live in peace with them, then neither should Israel accept or pretend to live in peace with those who want to kill them.

    I am obviously not using that term in the same perjorative way that you are. Not all final solutions lead to genocide. Some lead to peace and dignity for both sides. Mine would be one of those that lead to peace and dignity for both sides. Are you interested in that? Or, would you rather go on being an apologist for terrorists?

    The current PA rejects it not only on paper, but in practice as well. The PA is run by Hamas. As long as a terrorist organization is running their government, there can be no two-state solution and no peace between the two peoples.

    This process could be helped along by refusing to acknowledge or support the government in any manner. This should put political pressure on them by the people they govern if they are in fact, truly democratically elected. But, the bottom line ultimately comes down to this: It is the problem of the Palestinian people to deal with this mess they have created...not mine. Until they are willing to stand against Hamas themselves, there can be no peace or prospects of peace between Israel and the Palestinans.

    Of course it does. But this is a stupid question because the majority of Israelis don't send their children into Gaza to blow themselves up. There are Jewish terrorists organizations, yes. But, they are condemned by their government and people, not celebrated and elected to office.

    This would be the most preferable outcome of my final solution.

    Unfortunately, if we are to believe Jimmy Carter and the UN election inspectors, the majority are animals, or else they are extremely decieved to think that Hamas is some great social organization that was going to improve their lot in life from what they had with Fatah and Arafat and all the corruption that occured there. Judging from the events of the past several months which have including more terror against Israelis, I kind of think that a slight majority are probably animals who want more bloodshed, and then the minority is probably split between those who were decieved about Hamas and those who truly want peace. Until the minority becomes the majority, there is no foundation for peace and a two state solution.

    I am still trying to figure out if you are a member of a terrorist organization or really just that dumb for being one of their apologists. Haven't figured out which yet.

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    glad to see a voice for peace!! :thumbs: despite ur nick, too! :D

    i'm suggesting, instead of negotiating w card-carrying members of whatever party ... Hamas, Likud, Hezbollah, etc. ... (since all those labels r bound to roil some!) that it be a people-to-people talk, mediated perhaps by a 3rd party (the Norwegians n Spanish have tried in the past; maybe it's time for another nation/organisation).

    IOW, it shd be betw Israelis n Palestinians, esp those without the blood of suicide bombs or shatilla massacres on their hands. can they proceed in an atmosphere of mutual respect (n stop long enuff to NOT call each other names)? or is there a larger force outside their borders egging them on to war n continued caging/plaguing of each other?
     
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    While yes, an Israeli terrorist did assasinate PM Rabin, no this did not move Israeli Public Sentiment away from peace. If you go back to the land deal of 2000, I think this is clear. If you go back as recent as last year in Gaza, this is clear. The majority of Israelis do want peace and a two state solution, but not at the expense of more intifadas and security. The majority of Palestinians do not want peace. This is abundantly clear. When the Palestinians change that demographic, there will be hope for a two state solution and peace that is real.

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    Yes. Individual Palestinians and Israelis can do this. Until, however, the Palestinians stop electing and supporting terrorist organizations like Hamas who kill Jews and want to destroy Israel, this is futile. The only foundation for peace is reciprocity. So far, the Israelis have gone beyond what they should have to achieve peace. The Palestinians have responded to every positive overture with more violence. Until this changes, there will not be, and should not be a two state solution or a false peace.

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    Any equation with animals is an insult to animals.
     
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    but the Bible uses similes relating to the eagle, too.
     
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    Yes, but not in the same context. People who strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves and innocent people up are worse than animals and defy even the laws of nature (God), the survival instinct. But when a person is on drugs, they will do anything, even literally blow themselves up.
     

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