Should the church be more receptive of Obama's leadership?

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  1. righteousdude2

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    Obama just isn't "feeling the love" when it comes to Christians, and I need to ask if the church should be more forgiving and tolerant of his views and ways of running the nation out of Christ like love? Maybe the church is being too judgmental when it comes to him?

    Do you feel we should sit by and out of respect for the office turn a blind eye, tread water and hope 2016 brings a person the church can get behind and support?
     
  2. Darrell C

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    No, no, and again...no! lol

    If it were not a matter of Obama claiming to be a Christian then we might take a position that we always do when dealing with the world system. But because he claims to be a Christian, while at the same time displaying the spirit of antichrist (support for Islam, homosexuality, abortion, shunning Israel, et cetera)...he is to be viewed for exactly what he is...an unbeliever.

    As Christians we are not obligated to be in submission to open hostility towards Christ and His Body. I heard it said "This is a man that is okay with murdering his grandchildren" once, and think that puts his character into perspective. Heard a clip yesterday in which he states something along the lines of "As a Christian...I'm not feeling the love of Christians," which I suppose was the catalyst for this thread.

    Give me a break.

    As a Christian?

    No, Mr. Obama, not as a Christian.

    To answer the two questions above, no, we do not give respect to the office by respecting someone who at every turn brings shame to the office through his actions, and no...as Christians I think we have a duty to do what we can to suppress evil, and one very simple way to do that is to vote against those that continue the downward spiral of our Nation, which while perhaps not a Christian Nation, is definitely a Nation that has a number of Christians whose voice should be making an impact.

    If someone thinks not voting is fulfilling the will of God I can understand that, but, I would ask where in the Word of God are we told we are to remain silent?

    No vote is a vote.

    Folks, Secular Humanism is on the rise and though they are a powerful entity we are in battle against...we still have time to take a stand against it.

    I think many refused to vote for Romney in the last election because he was a Mormon. We're not voting for a deacon, folks, but for someone to stand in a secular office that is tied to the world system, not the Body of Christ. The Liberal Agenda is even now beginning their same tactics in discouraging people from voting at all. The smear campaign that successfully tosses out good candidates is in stride, and it is in our best interest to remember that only one side actually factors in the sins of a candidate, while the other side overlooks the sins of theirs.

    Go out and vote. Maybe the candidate in the running is not qualified to lead a Church, but again, we're not voting someone into our fellowship.

    Soapbox vacated.

    God bless.
     
  3. just-want-peace

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    My question re: the OP is, "WHAT LEADERSHIP??"
     
  4. HankD

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    Well, perhaps, but because we are both a republic and a democracy there are at least two scripture which need to be contemplated first:

    Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    HankD
     
  5. HeDied4U

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    Obama and leadership should NEVER be in the same sentence.
     
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    Who cares what the church feels about how he is running the nation? If the church was focusing on what it's supposed to be doing instead of pulling its hair out over Obama, perhaps the way he is running the nation WOULD be different.

    As it stands , there is nothing short of pure wickedness coming from a lot of folks in the church about this man. As I've said before, lots of folks in the church disobedient to God's command don't sincerely pray for him and his administration. And don't say that you do. You can't sincerely pray for someone and at the same time disrespect them the way that some of you do.

    There is NOTHING of Christ-like love coming from a certain sector of the church that just so happens to share a political affiliation.

    The church has every right to righteously judge his unGodly actions. However, the church does not have the right to disrespect him as so many on this board and in the church do.

    God is very aware of this cancer that has moved through the church faster than lightning through butter.

    I truly believe that this type of unrepentant wickedness from the church is why evangelicals keep getting more of the Obama policies they don't want and they seemingly can't do anything about it.

    The continued looking to a political party to fix things when God has said HE will do the healing is just another reason too.

    Doesn't matter who 2016 brings. Unrepentant wickedness will get you more of what you don't want.
     
  7. Sapper Woody

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    Along the lines of what Zaac said, we should openly oppose policies that we disagree with, but should still respect the office, even if not the man. Disrespecting the office is disrespecting more than the office. A lot more.



    Politics are a tool we can use to bring about change in America. But the attempt to use politics to enact a change will fail unless it is coupled with the giving of the Gospel.
     
  8. Darrell C

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    Me...for one.

    There have been quite a few people I have spoken with who say they are Christians yet they stand behind policies which advocate abortion, gay marriage, and liberal theology.

    Anyone who buys into Obama's claim to be a Christian despite his apparent zeal for policy which stands in direct contradiction to a Christian worldview are the very ones who...

    ...don't care.


    What makes you think the Church is not doing what it is supposed to be?

    The question is...what church are you speaking of? If you mean Modern Christendom, I agree, there are too many claiming to represent Christ who have not only climbed aboard the worldly system but are doing their best to get their mouthpieces into office.

    And how, might I ask, could the Church, the Body of Christ...cause Obama to rule any differently. And yes, I said rule.

    But that's the problem, too many cannot distinguish between the Body of Christ and the world system. As I said, this is why, in many ways, Obama was elected. Not just once...but twice. While I am against Mormon Doctrine, I have no problem having a Mormon in the Office. Yet a great many Christians refused to vote for Romney because of that. Okay, that makes great sense: it's okay to have a man who is clearly possessed of the spirit of antichrist, but we can't have someone who is theologically confused.

    Some may see the irony there, lol.


    I agree, and it is up to the Body of Christ to start educating our liberal brethren to limit the damage they are doing, first and foremost to the cause of Christ, but also in terms of world conditions.

    People are dying because of the liberal world-view of those who claim to be a part of the Body.

    Agreement with Obama is fellowship with the world, and there is nothing wrong with the Church declaring a position of opposition to him.

    It is our duty.


    Now balance that with those who openly advocate practices contrary...to the rest of the Word of God.

    I do not feel led to pray for Obama on a daily basis, that is true, but I can tell you I do not feel too bad about it.


    I do, occasionally, believe it or not. I have prayed for the terrorists as well. But that does not cloud my judgment concerning either.

    Sure you can, because the truth has nothing to do with disrespect, it is simply a matter of truth.

    You want to tell me that Obama has been an example of Christian belief? Are you okay with telling gays it's okay to get married? Do you tell women it is their right to murder their children? That if they want to engage in fornication...that's okay? Do you feel it is the "Christian thing to do" to encourage and even advocate for Islam?


    I would agree with this to this extent: it is assumed that the politically motivated "Christians" are representative of Christ and Christian Doctrine and Practice.

    That is about as absurd as believing Obama is.

    Why not be open in your statement: you are speaking of those that vote Republican. Right?

    Well, the truth is, a Republican vote most often better agrees with a Christian Worldview than a Democratic vote. Those voting Democratic in the last two elections have contributed to the moral degradation of this country.

    Love is never a matter of (1) refusing to speak the truth and (2) supporting those who speak lies and (3) supporting those who are openly opposed to Christian Doctrine and Practice.


    That is not what your post presents, but rather it presents a condemnation of those who are not afraid to declare his actions ungodly.

    We do not have to become politically embroiled to the point where politics itself becomes the religion of the individual, and unfortunately there are many that fall into that trap.

    If more Christians devoted their time to a better understanding of Christian Doctrine we would have less people voting for the ungodly. Again, when we vote for a President...we are not voting in a Pastor or deacon, and we should maintain a separation of the body from the world system.

    Doesn't mean we sit around on our laurels and refuse to participate in the Vote because there isn't a particular candidate that meets our standard of judgment.

    Perhaps, for me, if John MacArthur or R.C. Sproul ran, lol, that might happen, but the truth is that this is a secular office and we can't expect too much.

    I mean...it is politics.


    Would you have felt John the Baptist disrespected Herod?

    If you go through Scripture you are going to find quite a few Prophets that took a head-on collision course with kings. Had more people agreed with the Prophet than the king, perhaps Israel's history might have been different.

    By the way, my fellowship supports a Missionary...to Washington D.C. Is that something we should be doing?


    You're seriously suggesting the Lord is unhappy with those that recognize Obama as ungodly? This includes you, by the way, according to what you have written.

    I guess you're follow-up post will address those who magnify the guy? Do you feel that the liberal views and advocacy of many claiming to be Christians...is something the Lord smiles upon?

    The fact is that the "cancer" in the Body of Christ has been apathy.

    We could address a letter to the Church entitled "While you were sleeping..."


    Seriously?

    So the solution is to start showing Obama respect, despite the fact he has no respect for Law or the Office.

    Well, one thing he didn't lie about, he does have more leeway in the second term.


    On the contrary, we can try to educate people and open their eyes to the lies that have lulled them to sleep and caused them to throw their lot in with the enemies of God.


    Sorry, no. For me, the solution is the Word of God. The more people that better understand Scripture the better. While there are large groups on both sides of the aisle who have turned politics into their religion, there is still a remnant that is separate from the world with a Christ-centered and Scripture-centered focus.

    We understand that politics must be left in it's proper place, which is the world system, but that does not prevent us from actively seeking to make a difference as we go through this world.


    And what does God require?

    Not sure those advocating the policies of the Democratic Party can honestly claim repentance.


    And it is this very attitude that got Obama elected.

    It does matter, Zaac.


    I agree wholeheartedly, which is why I must protest when people advocate for things which are contrary to the Word of God.

    I am not ashamed to speak openly about Obama, and it does not confront me that people think it is disrespectful. I cannot have respect for such a man, nor will I overlook his agendas.

    Now we have on the horizon another "historical election," in which America can show her enlightened state by voting for a woman.

    Will you vote for her, Zaac?


    God bless.
     
  9. Darrell C

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    I would agree if that were the "lines" drawn, however, it seemed more an attempt to shame Christians for not respecting Obama.

    What's to respect?

    The Office, that is a different matter, and I agree we, even if Obama does not, should have respect, because it stands as the foremost glimpse of what our country stands for.


    Politics become the "weeds" that choke out the Gospel for some, who turn their political party into their religion.

    We have to maintain a separation between politics and the Church. We are not now, nor ever will have a fundamental co-existence with the world system. While we can do what we can to be Christian Americans, we will never be American Christians.

    The Body of Christ is a separate entity that operates independent of the world system, and when people combine the two...that's when the trouble starts. Those who use Christian values to advocate politics disturb me, and they bring reproach to the name of Christ.

    And Obama is the poster-boy, as evidenced in his recent statements concerning Christians. You see, he cannot recognize Christian Doctrine and Practice, so he confuses a Media Caricature with the Body of Christ.


    God bless.
     
  10. Yeshua1

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    just as long as we go against his agenda and policies, and not against him personally....

    And also, those in the church need to stop accusing those of us being against what he stands for as being "against him just due to him being Black"
     
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    I'm with Sap on this one--------I'm not up to playin' a round of golf with (O)-----golf is just not my thang!!! BUT if Mister President would like to do a little Bass fishing or go out in the pasture and shoot a box of skeet-----now----I'd be up to that one!!!

    But giving myself the option of following his leadership verses the leadership of the late President Ronald Reagan-----well----hands down----I'd follow "The Gipper!!!":type::type:
     
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    We are to support Him by Praying for Him. Praying that he would seek God's salvation first and foremost and then after salvation that he would then seek God's guidance in the way he rules.
    How do we know he isn't a true Christian one quote says it all. From the President, "my mother was an atheist but she was a good person, so I believe she is in heaven today!" Sorry the bible says Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation, salvation is not by works. If the President doesn't understand God's plan of salvation he is not a christian. We are to pray for him, first for salvation and once saved that he would seek God's guidance.
     
  13. Darrell C

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    One of my favorite quotes:

    "It isn't that our liberal friends are ignorant, it just that they know so much that isn't so." (President Reagan)

    It's a blessing to have a President we can admire.


    God bless.
     
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    Ain't it the truth?? They have been few & far between!!:thumbs:
     
  15. Darrell C

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    Here's another one you might appreciate:

    If guns kill people...does that mean pencils misspell words? (author unknown)

    lol

    God bless.
     

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