Should the Descendants of Black People Who Owned Other Black People As Slaves Be Forc

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    ..The fact is large numbers of free Negroes owned black slaves; in fact, in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at large. In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According to the U.S. census report for that last year before the Civil War, there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states.

    ..In the rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been unable to legally manumit them. Although this did indeed happen at times, it is a misrepresentation of the majority of instances, one which is debunked by records of the period on blacks who owned slaves. These include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more (2).

    According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.

    To return to the census figures quoted above, this 28 percent is certainly impressive when compared to less than 1.4 percent of all American whites and less than 4.8 percent of southern whites. The statistics show that, when free, blacks disproportionately became slave masters.

    The majority of slaveholders, white and black, owned only one to five slaves. More often than not, and contrary to a century and a half of bullwhips-on-tortured-backs propaganda, black and white masters worked and ate alongside their charges; be it in house, field or workshop. The few individuals who owned 50 or more slaves were confined to the top one percent, and have been defined as slave magnates.

    In 1860 there were at least six Negroes in Louisiana who owned 65 or more slaves The largest number, 152 slaves, were owned by the widow C. Richards and her son P.C. Richards, who owned a large sugar cane plantation. Another Negro slave magnate in Louisiana, with over 100 slaves, was Antoine Dubuclet, a sugar planter whose estate was valued at (in 1860 dollars) $264,000 (3). That year, the mean wealth of southern white men was $3,978 (4).

    In Charleston, South Carolina in 1860 125 free Negroes owned slaves; six of them owning 10 or more. Of the $1.5 million in taxable property owned by free Negroes in Charleston, more than $300,000 represented slave holdings (5). In North Carolina 69 free Negroes were slave owners (6).

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    I don't believe anybody living today should have to pay for something their great-great-great grandfather did over 150 years ago before we were born.

    Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    The Bible says the son shall not bear the iniquity of his father.

    Unless you believe you were in your great-great-great grandfather's loins and owned slaves with him. :rolleyes:
     
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    I'd be all for giving slaved reparations, but they're all dead.

    Zaac, your self-piety is showing again. I'm not angry. :flower:
     
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    Thus enters the straw man fallacy.
     
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    I didn't own slaves. My great-great grandfather was conscripted right off the boat to go fight Lincoln's war. One of my other grandfathers died on an Indian reservation after he was "liberated".

    I don't owe anybody anything. No straw-man about it.


    Read the bible verses Winman put up, and get some real schooling'.
     
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    I guess you do not know what the the meaning is of the straw man fallacy.
     
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    I don't care to be educated about it by you.

    I never understood white guilt, and I question the intelligence of those who suffer from it.

    I won't be participating.
     
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    I question the intelligence of those who suffer from it or even support its idea in any way.
     
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    Or anyone else it would seem.


    You make so many erroneous assumptions. I do not believe that a generation should be forced to pay retributions for their ancestors mistakes. There we agree.

    But you threw in a straw man fallacy.
     
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    "Off topic!!! Off topic!!! Off topic!!!"


    Wups, 'scuse me; this is Crabby's line. Just ignore!:smilewinkgrin:
     
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    The actions of you , the rev and JDF show otherwise. :laugh: I get it. this is the new generation brought up by Rush, Sean and FOX News that has taught yall to regurgitate the same objections they make to everything.

    They are angry and it clearly comes across just as does your anger.:thumbs:
     
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    Yes participating in white anger is so much better a choice. But he white anger folks are the "intelligent" ones.
     
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    I didn't see any "white anger" in the OP nor in Bro. Curtis' post.
     
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    I don't have any actions, Zaac. You should stop.
     
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    With this trading of recriminations, I'm closing this thread.
     
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