Should there be any limits to supporting Israel?

Soulman,

I am a 'WASP'*. As Christians, how can we say "unconditionally" apart from Christ? Unconditional warfare is usually a way of saying we will kill as many as possible just so we can watch them burn. I really hope and pray that you are not that sadistic. Israel is not doing a good job of fighting right now, because they are DOING BADLY. Not because they have a hand behind their back. They are intentionally choosing to allow massive colleteral damage. That is not a hand behind your back. Many of the targets are targets to FORCE REGIME CHANGE in LEBANON and not to force regime change in HEZBOLLAH.

If you are not that sadistic, then I apologize for misunderstanding you.

* Yes, I know that I am actually a separatist.

 

Conditional warfare is subject to the LAW of God and the law of man.

Rape, murder, pillaging ARE NOT what are supposed to happen in War. Nor are civilians supposed to be the targets.

No I am not referring to propagandistic issues (much of the Israeli targeting is targeting military targets). But, some of the targets seem to be unconditionally civilian.

Yes, I know that the Pal propaganda machine is pretty good. And no, I don't believe in releasing terrorists from jail, because there are 'good' propaganda reasons.

But, much of the killing of is of civilian population. The CHRISTIANS and the Jews that Hitler murdered were much the same thing. 'They' are difficult to deal with any other way, so kill them. Ironically, it was the very sacrifice of sooooo many civilians that led to his downfall so quickly. Had he expended his resources on his military machine - instead of expending resources on targeting civilians - he would have been much more difficult to defeat. The Allied victory in WW2 was the HAND OF GOD.

 

Joseph,

I am against terrorists. And there is quite a bit of truth to what you are saying.

I am not for Hezbollah, nor am I for Hezbollah's method of terrorism, but a 'residential stockpile' of HE rounds makes a MUCH bigger BOOM than you are seeing in much of the news video footage. Many of the video clips show targets that are civilian nature targets. Some like some bridges, are justifiable in nature. Others, like bombing of overpasses to suppress the civilian infrastructure are not good military targets. They are literally a WASTE OF AMMO.

Unconditional warfare is not under the condition of God, nor under the condition of man (Geneva convention for example).

 

BTW

Have YOU noticed the deathly silence? What's up?

Why the silence? What is getting ready to happen?

 

Not unless God changes what He said in the Bible...

 

Now that is an oxymoron.

If Israel goes against God's Word, you say that GOD has to change HIS WORD before you would not support Israel.

I think that supporting Israel against GOD is not a very smart move, but thank you for being honest about your loyalties.

 

To continue your analogy: If Israel determined that you and your loved ones were terrorists, and they kidnapped you and took you back to Israel for execution - you want us to side with Israel?

mmm ... There have been times that Israel has made major mistakes.

Let us pray that this is not a time for Israel to practice genocide. The USA really doesn't have the resources to fight a multi-front war on terrorism. And I really don't want a bunch of our boys and girls dying ...

 

I don't think God would have told us not to turn our back on Israel if He knew they were going to do something to contradict His Word and He DOES know everything...

 

Israel are already selling jet fighters and weapons to communist China.

 

God knows the future, I don't, and neither does anyone else.

There are a lot of people doing things that go against God's Word - does that change it? I think not.

God's Word is everlasting and the final authority in my life.

God said it. That settles it. Whether we believe it or not is of no consequence...

 

No one is questioning God's word or its total authority. The question is must Chrisitans give the modern state of Israel carte blanche support no matter what they choose to do.

I contend that the answer is "no". We need not support and condone all that the nation establised in 1948 does.

This has nothing to do with the current situation. I am in full support of Israel in this matter, and would consider myself a great supporter of the current state of Israel.

 

Can you imagine what would have happened if Nathan had said to God, "No, I won't tell King David that he has sinned against you?"

 

When did God tell the United States not to turn our backs on Israel? Where in the Bible did He tell us to support Israel regardless of what they were doing?

 

Is Israel doing something wrong?

We can "what if" all day long.

 

LE: You should have started another thread. :smilewinkgrin:

In answer to your question - it depends on who you ask...

I say, "no", Israel is doing nothing wrong, but many would say, "yes".

 

I wanted to get back to this statement you made. If it is true there are laws that restrict Christians from proselytizing non-Christians, then they must be like some of our laws - on the books, but not regularly or vigorously enforced.

For instance, there is a new Jerusalem Messianic Center getting off the ground in Jerusalem by the Chosen People Ministries:

This is very interesting, BTW.
http://www.chosenpeople.com/docs/GB/Resources/Publications/0502NL.pdf

And here is a web site that lists some Christian churches in Israel:

http://www.christusrex.org/www1/ofm/cic/CICservout.html

There are also a lot of missionaries in Israel. It would be stupid for mission boards to send missionaries over there if laws against Christian missionaries were being enforced. Apparently, either the laws are not really enforced or there are a lot of missionaries in Israel living off of a lot of churches on a free ride and it's all a big scam.