Since sin is sin....

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  1. targus

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    In that the discussion of the "prolife myth" was derailed to an argument over sin...

    Since sin is sin... and everyone one sins...

    Why should anyone get exercised over the shooting of unarmed black people by white police?

    After all if we are going to say that the murder of the unborn is no worse than any other sin, why can't the argument be made that the killing of an unarmed person by the police is no worse than abortion - which is legal and occurs 4,000 times a day in this country alone.
     
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    Why? Some people think that any thing to do with racial conflict is more exciting.
     
  3. Zaac

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    How about a black person shoot an unarmed member of your family? How would you feel?


    No complaints from me. Murder is murder.
     
  4. targus

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    If you accept the argument that the killing of an unarmed person by the police is no worse than abortion...

    Why are you so worked up over police shootings of unarmed people which happen what - fewer than a dozen times a year?

    But are so complacent about 4,000 abortions a DAY!
     
  5. Rolfe

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    You mean white police shootings of unarmed black people? That is what seems to be the key with Zaac.
     
  6. Zaac

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    Pick 12 young unarmed white males or females that you'd be okay with being killed by black cops, and get back to the black community about why someone would get so worked up.

    White folks were worked up over that Knock-out game. So save that foolishness.

    I'm not complacent about anything. Unlike yourself and some others, I just don't have to be unChristlike and nasty about my objection to abortion, capital punishment or any taking of life.
     
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    This is the dumbest question I've read today, but I did just get up so there's room for something dumber down the line. :rolleyes:

    Like he would feel differently if a white person, opposed to a black person, shot an unarmed member of his family.

    How about how would any of us feel if another human being shot an unarmed member of our family?
     
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    That's the key with a lot of people, black and white. There is a race problem in this country. A lot of white people seem to have pressed the IGNORE button because they just don't understand "why they are running" or "why they don't just cooperate".

    As I've said before, I'm around these communities all the time. I've gained an insight that many don't have or don't want.

    And a lot of white people on this board and in the church in the United States exhibit the blindness of white privilege that desensitizes them from even listening to what Blacks are saying because privilege doesn't have to listen. Privilege doesn't have to care. As long as it's not disparately impacting my world, privilege puts it on ignore, the same way privilege in the Church put slavery and Jim Crow on IGNORE.

    So yes, I have a HUGE problem with white folks in the Body of Christ acting like the white folks during the days of slavery and Jim Crow.
     
  9. targus

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    I am not ok with any of it.

    [QUTE]I'm not complacent about anything. Unlike yourself and some others, I just don't have to be unChristlike and nasty about my objection to abortion, capital punishment or any taking of life.[/QUOTE]

    Yes, judging others does seem to part of your MO.

    I just can not help but notice that you have started and participated in a disproportionate number of discussions about police and their treatment of suspects...

    But about abortion which occurs at a rate probably 10,000 times greater...

    Not so much.

    Edited to include... And you champion a politician that advocated and voted in favor of killing babies after they were safely born!
     
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    I framed the question the way I did with intent. And you just highlighted it. You see the lives of white people haven't been marginalized by Blacks for 400 years. White people haven't been lynched and burned and dragged behind vehicles by black people. White people haven't had their daughters and wives raped by black people en masse and it be okay because they were just property. White people haven't been jailed en masse by black people for committing the same crimes that Blacks commit. Unarmed dead white people aren't being left to lie in the streets like animals. White people haven't stood back and watched their sons and husbands murdered in front of them because some black man thought he looked at his wife.

    So a lot of white people don't understand why Blacks can distinguish between others doing things to them as opposed to the group that's been marginalizing their lives since they arrived in these here United States of America.

    So yeah, ask them. Where they are concerned, there's a huge difference because it's extra salt in the wound from folks who have treated them as inferior and less than since the time their ancestors first got here.

    How about you go back and undo what white folks did to black folks over the last 400 years and continue to do today and THEN ask them.

    As it stands, and because of the inability of white folks to acknowledge that the black color of their skin does play a significant role in how they are treated by a lot of Whites today and yesterday, I guarantee to you that it matters to them.
     
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    My mother was almost killed by a black person. My mother suffered terribly for months - both physically and emotionally and still suffers and will suffer relatively medium pain the rest of her life - because of a black person's addiction to drugs and reckless behavior.

    A black woman on her way to the court house to appear before the judge for several charges of DUI and drug charges was high as a kite and driving her car approximately 90 miles per hour when she hit my mother from behind.

    My mother's car was hurled upside down into a grove of trees. She had to be cut out of the car. Her trachea was cracked and still is - she can't sing anymore. Her arm was broken, her back was cracked, she had many, many staples in her head and to this day, glass shards STILL work their way out of her arm to the surface even though she had to had surgery to remove what they could. It's very painful.

    That wreck from a drug addicted black woman changed my mother's life forever.

    The woman never stopped. The only thing that stopped her was that about 5 miles down the road, she hit a light pole. She jumped out of the car, unhurt (as happens a lot with intoxicated people) and stripped naked and began running around.

    What was my family's response and the response of the entire hick town of wildly conservative and religious Republicans?

    Compassion.

    When she stripped naked and started running around, a few men and one woman from that part of the neighborhood came out and one brought a blanket. They chased her until they could cover her and get her to lie down.

    Two men that I know for sure of in the neighborhood contacted her family after her name was made known to inquire about helping her family.

    My own mother AND FATHER never once said anything of bitterness or scorn about her. My parents were too worried about her immortal soul and her being a drug addict. I know for a fact that they have prayed for her many times. So have I.

    My mother's pastor contacted the family to check on them.

    Me? I am and was and will always be very angry at what happened. I'm angry that drugs took over this woman's life - black, white, or Hispanic. I'm angry that my mother will suffer pain 24-hours a day for the rest of her life.

    But I pray for that woman. I know her name. While a handful of others reached out to her family, I don't know if I should. My parents were told not to - but that while the investigation was still on-going.

    So how do I feel that a black person almost killed my mother and caused her chronic pain?

    I feel bad for her. And I remember her in my prayers. Her color was irrelevant.
     
  12. Zaac

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    Take it up with God. I have it on HIS authority that I am to righteously judge ALL things.

    Yep.

    No need to. The majority of you are on the right side of the road when it comes to abortion even if your attitudes are nasty as that of the devil himself.

    When it comes to issues of black and white, the majority of you act like you would fit right in with the bigots of the 50s and 60s and the era of slavery.

    As opposed to the majority of folks on here who championed a man who rejects Jesus Christ?

    Don't ever mistake my direction for folks to honor and respect those who God has placed in authority over us as championing a man.

    I don't champion anyone who walks on the same sinful ground that I do.
     
  13. Zaac

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    My continued prayers for your mother.

    But color isn't irrelevant. If it were, you wouldn't have used black as a descriptor throughout to describe.

    And no matter how much white people continue to tell this lie about the irrelevancy of color, they DO see it.

    A lot of white people think color makes one more violent. A lot of folks think color makes one angrier. A lot of white folks think color makes one more apt to steal. A lot of white folks think color makes one less willing to work. A lot of white folks think color should make one submissive to those who have marginalized, mistreated and maligned them.

    Color is the reason there are, in the words of MLK Jr, two Americas.

    So feign irrelevancy as privilege allows you to. Those whose skin is not white as well as a lot whose skin is white, fully recognize that it does matter.

    Part of the race problem in this country is that white people refuse to acknowledge that it matters because then we have to get into a conversation about something that makes everybody uncomfortable.
     
  14. targus

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    What you actually do is judge without the facts.

    Nothing righteous about that.
     
  15. Zaac

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    Naah. Some of you just think that your POV = fact. :laugh:
     
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    Really. ~sigh~

    Zaac, I used color as a descriptor of this woman because you ASKED us to imagine if a black person harmed our family. I gave you a non-pretend testimony and used the word black as per your instructions to imagine a person's blackness and it's affect on our attitude if they harmed us or our family.

    How am I supposed to NOT use the word black when you put it out there for use to respond as to how a person being black affects our attitude towards their harming us?


    You know. Recently someone else here said something very vile about people who live where I live. He made an ugly and blanket statement. I called him on it and he wouldn't acknowledge the pain he hurled. It wasn't you. He believes people like me to be wicked and hateful.

    Now, you are telling me that I am not being truthful with you. When I tell you that "this woman's" color was not relevant in terms of how this impacted my family and I not feigning anything.
     
  17. Zaac

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    That's the response I expected. But again, if the person's skin color was irrelevant, it didn't have to be mentioned by you.

    You tell me. My question had nothing to do with how you chose to relay the story. I assume you told it the way you did because referencing the lady's skin color helped display that you don't care about color. And I must say, the skin color of Blacks is a reality. It DOES influence the way people deal with them. They acknowledge it. Why don't white people?

    You're the one who said it was irrelevant. Is it as irrelevant as news people mentioning that a suspect is black but not mentioning when suspects are white?

    I'm not quite sure what type of person like you to whom he would be referring. You're one of the nicer people on the board even though you have a tendency to do drive -by slap me in the face posts of late. :laugh:

    Where did I say that? I said it wasn't irrelevant. The fact that you even remembered that she was black shows that it wasn't irrelevant.

    And I take your word for that. But I add again, there is a long history of black life being marginalized in this country by Whites. It impacts how Blacks respond.

    And just because Whites haven't experienced that marginalization doesn't mean that it should be ignored as a factor in why Blacks are so outraged at how they are being treated by the police.
     
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    AND HERE IS THE KICKER!!!!

    :laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
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    Nice job, targus.

    Hilarious.
     
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    Gosh Zaac, Jesus did that at the cross and continues to work in the lives of those who love him. Besides, neither you or I can go back and undo all the atrocities against humankind, much less the last 400 years. You propose an impossible task and you know that.
     

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