Snips From The Message In Proverbs

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  1. Rippon

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    The Message Bible is kind of unique . I just bought ( for less than $2.00 ) the book of Proverbs by Eugene Peterson . I don't have the rest of the Bible by Peterson . I really don't think I will buy his work on the rest of the books of the Bible . I bought his treatment of Proverbs last Saturday .

    I'm not sure how much of the work was his alone . Two other people are mentioned as being on the editorial team . But I would think that he did most of the work .

    The Message style of translation is not my preferred method . I like something along the lines of a combo : modified literal , like the TNIV , HCS or ISV ( can't wait to buy the completed form of the latter when it's released ) . However , TM fills a niche . It has a catchy , or if you'd like -- an arresting way with expressing things . It is very free -- too free much of the time . Occasionally it translates close to the manner of the more formal versions , only occasionally . It's a surprise when it does .

    Peterson's translation is so free much of the time that the NLTse in contrast seems to read more word-for-word . Sometimes there is barely a connection with the form of the original .

    Peterson really did "translate" the NT . So , even though TM is known for being even more free than a paraphrase -- it is really a translation -- just not in the sense that we are used to . I don't know how much Hebrew he knows in comparison to his knowledge of the Greek .

    This extra-dynamic ( not technical jargon -- my way of wording it ) is a shock to my system at times . Sometimes EP can really convey his intrepretation in a most helpful manner . Yet he does not consider this a real Bible as such -- he prefers the NRSV for purposes of study and preaching .

    I think he may be this generation's J. B. Phillips . Nevertheless , because he uses such an idiomatic style , this version will be out-of-date in 15 or 20 years . It's good to put things across in colloquial language -- but his overabundance of contemporary speech is overkill at times .

    Anyway , I will give some samples of one or two phrases from each chapter of Proverbs . I will not identify the verses that the phrases orginate from -- you can guess . I'll just name the chapter .

    1) When you grab all you can get , that's what happens : the more you get , the less you are .

    2) those who are lost themselves can't tell a trail from a tumbleweed

    3) stupid living gets the booby prize

    4) She'll garland your life with grace , she'll festoon your days with beauty

    5) You don't want to end your life full of regrets , nothing but sin and bones

    6) Riffraff and rascals talk out of both sides of their mouths

    7) She runs a halfway house to hell

    8) You can find me on Righteous Road -- that's where I walk -- at the intersection of Justice Avenue

    9) confront bad behavior and get a kick in the shins

    10) Wise son , glad father ; stupid son , sad mother

    11) a God-shaped life is a flourishing tree

    12) A good person basks in the delight of God

    You can't find firm footing in a swamp

    13) sin dumps the wicked in the ditch

    14) a quick-tempered person stockpiles stupidity

    15) fools are leaky faucets , dripping nonsense

    he stands with those who have no standing

    Well , I'll take a brealk now . I'll be back later to give more samples from the remaining chapters .
     
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    Continuing with select snips in the book of Proverbs in TM .

    16) There's a way that looks harmless enough ; look again -- it leads straight to hell .

    17) What's this ? Fools out shopping for wisdom ! They wouldn't recognize it if they saw it !

    18) The words of a fool start fights ; do him a favor and gag him

    Listening to gossip is like eating cheap candy ; do you really want junk like that in your belly ?

    19) Discipline your children while you still have the chance ; indulging them destroys them

    20) never confide in blabbermouths

    21) What a bad person plots against the good , boomerangs

    22) The perverse travel a dangerous road , potholed and mud-slick ; if you know what's good for you , stay clear of it

    23) Don't bother talking sense to fools ; they'll only poke fun at your words

    24) Fools incubate sin ; cynics desecrate beauty

    25) A person without self-control is like a house with its doors and windows knocked out

    26) A proverb quoted by fools is limp as a wet noodle

    27) A prudent person sees trouble coming and ducks

    28) If you desert God's law , you're free to embrace depravity

    serious reprimand is appreciated far more than bootlicking flattery

    29) The fear of human opinion disables

    30) A leech has twin daughters named "Gimme" and "Gimme more."

    31) Many women have done wonderful things , but you've outclassed them all !
     
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    You could turn lots of these into Country songs. ;)
     
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    Country songs ? Perhaps , but Peterson is an urbane kinda' guy . As a former Professor at Regent he's very well educated . I think he tried too hard to identify with the common person . Maybe that's why he sounds sort of countryfied ( new word ? -- not countryfried ) .
     
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    Wow, I can almost hear the Country music to this one, entitled:

    "She runs a halfway house to hell".

    Here's my version...

    Listen, good ol' boys, to what I say
    You'll thank me for it at the end of the day

    Talk to Wisdom as you would to a sister.
    Better pay attention and listen, mister

    Fend off the Temptress who lingers in a hot dress
    you know, that smooth-talkin' honey-tongued Seductress.

    Yeah, good ol' boys, you listen to me,
    You take these words most seriously.

    Don't fool around with a woman like that;
    She'll steal your soul in seconds flat.

    Countless victims all come under her spell;
    And she send's 'em packin' right straight to hell

    She runs a halfway house to hell
    She runs a halfway house to hell
    Countless victims alll come under her spell
    She runs a halfway house to hell
     
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    Did you write that one nept ? That's good , very good -- in such short time too . I sang it with a twang with my own tune that I improvised on the spot ( pats himself on the back ) .
     
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    It was my understanding that The Message was considered to be an "invalid version". Do you believe The Message is a Bible and is the word of God?
     
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    Yes, I did. Thanks, but the credit goes to The Message. It provide many of the words, and all the inspiration. ;)

    The Message is one of the available translations at...

    http://www.biblegateway.com
     
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    The Message, although it's a paraphrase, IS a Bible and it is the word of God.

    Is The Message one of my favorite Bible versions? No - because it's a paraphrase and paraphrases allow too much personal opinion to creep in at times.

    Should we always avoid paraphrases? No. Paraphrases, although not very accurate for Bible study, can present the message God intended us to have, including the plan of salvation, so that even those who are new to the Bible can understand it.

    Can a person reading The Message be saved? Absolutely, if they are serious and really seeking when they believe in Jesus Christ and pray to God for their salvation. On the other hand, someone reading one of the KJVs, the NKJV, the NASB, the ESV, etc. will be just as lost as if they were reading a Stephen King novel if they don't believe in Jesus Christ.
     
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    Keith , The Message is not technically a paraphrase . It is a translation -- a loose one to be sure , but nevertheless a translation . It's actually more free than a paraphrase . But Eugene Peterson is quite a scholar compared to Ken Taylor who paraphrased the 1901 ASV .
     
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    A Reconsideration

    I guess TM is a kind of paraphrasing translation . I was kind of hung-up on the fact that Peterson actually translated out of the original languages . Evenso , his method of translation was paraphrastic . I only have his treatment of Proverbs , nothing more than that . I just can't bring myself to classifying it as a Bible per se . It might be considered more of a commentary or devotional device rather than the Word of God as such .
    The Message is not what I would recommend to anyone , least of all to a new Christian or an unsaved person .

    Could someone come to a saving knowledge from reading it ? The LORD has , to our eyes, strange designs at times . Who can fathom them ? Was anyone really saved under the ministrations of Charles Finney ? It's the same kind of deal .
     
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    If you want to read more, and you don't mind reading on the screen, you can find the translation at bible gateway. Just visit this URL and when you search or browse, select "The Message" as the translation.

    http://www.biblegateway.com

    I just realized I already posted that info. Sorry.
     
  13. Ed Edwards

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    Tee hee, it already exists:

    There is a house in New Orleans
    They call 'The Rising Sun'
    It's been the death of many a poor lad
    Good God! I know I'm one ...
     
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    Oh, man. Now I can't get that dang song out of my head. :mad:
     
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    But the words you wrote were pretty cool as well.
     
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    Ummm. Ed? You got the words wrong.
     

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