Socialised medical care...

Yes, the ones who have it don't realize how easy it is to lose it, and how insurance can deny payment if your disease is too expnsive to treat. The idea of anything "socialist" scares people as un-American. I say to not provide healthcare is un-Christian AND un-American. Almost every civilized nation views healthcare as something a society should provide for its citizens, just like highways, police and fire protection. We all don't go out and buy "crime insurance" to pay for police, or if our neighbor doesn't have "fire protection" do we sit by while our neighbors house burns down.

Rent Sicko. It will make you sick.

 

Sicko?!



That's a good one.:thumbs:

 

Have you watched "Sicko" yourself?

 

If government will do such a good job at healthcare...

why are veteran's hospitals so bad?


I agree the system needs fixing. But when you have a blown engine in your car, you don't take out the good transmission and put a bad one in.

Government healthcare will bring about two results, IMO:

• The "nanny state." They're in charge of your health now...so they can regulate your diet, actions, sleep habits, and all aspects of personal life.
• Bad service. I got cussed out by someone at the DMV a few weeks ago. I don't want that at the hospital I might use.

 

The idea is not for the government to run the hospitals and employ doctors, but rather to insure that all have coverage to pay for their healthcare. The current private system is as broke as the VA system.

 

Are the taxpayers obligated to pay to keep every person alive as long as it is technically possible? If not, then what is their obligation?

 

Are you saying that every country since the founding of Christianity which did not have communist health care has been "un-Christian?" And furthermore, are you saying this nation should be run according to Christian principles because it is 'Christian' to forcibly confisctate citizens' possessions to pay for health services?

What "every civilized nation" does is what makes something American? If so, 'American' as an adjective is meaningless.

But our homeowner's and auto policies do include theft [required of course, if financed], and usually acts of crime not compensated in litigation or otherwise. But you think that all should be done away with and government should pay for every criminal act that causes damage? Maybe every act unconditionally?

No, we hose down our own house, especially if downwind from him.

 

Agreed. Our system is barbaric.

 

I watched Sicko and loved it! Michael Moore is very entertaining.

That being said, I'm completely opposed to UniHC and here's why:

1) People like me who have poor health lifestyles (obesity, smoking) would be included in the system thus punishing people who make smart choices by exercising and eating right but are still forced to pay higher premiums to keep irresponsible people like me in the system. I don't deserve to pay low insurance premiums and contrary to many of the sob stories out there, neither do many (though not all) of my fellow fatties. (FWIW, take a look at obesity levels among those suffering from poverty: imagine how those food costs could be spent on medical care.) Neither do people who take responsible care of their health deserve to pay higher or even equal premiums as the rest of us. How is that moral treatment of the health gurus?

2) Almost all UniHC plans that I've seen include everyone. And I do mean everyone. From Bill Gates to Warren Buffett to all the rich in between, why the friggin' heck should middle class people pay for insurance for the super rich? Explain how that is "compassion"?

3) It's ironic to hear liberals bemoan our shrinking privacy via the Patriot Act (concerns that I share) and then advocate consolidating all health information into a national database accessible (presumably) by any career politician with an axe to grind.

4) Americans would be more likely to afford health care if taxes were lower, something Moore consistently opposes.

5) There's a coming doctor shortage. Less people are chosing the profession. (Google it as there's loads of articles out there.) Granted, the prosects of UniHC may not be the reason all potential candidates are seeking other jobs but the possibility of mandatory assignments coupled with pay caps certainly doesn't help.