Socialised medical care...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by D28guy, Feb 9, 2008.

  1. D28guy

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    For many years now I have been against the socialised medical care I have heard of in England and Canada. I dont know whether its just the term "socialism", or something else, but I've just always thought that there was something "un-America" about it.

    I, like most people, have a job with medical insurance, and have all my adult life. Medicare and Medicaid are in place. The poor do not get turned away from Emergency rooms, et etc. I've always felt that although it isnt perfect, our systen is the best option.

    But for the last several months...maybe a couple of years or so...little things have popped up in the news, or have come to my attention in some other way, that have been causing me to reconsider a little bit. Havent completly changed my mind, but have gottem me thinking.

    Then came today.

    There were 2 letters back to back in our local "Letters to the Editor" section of the newspaper. The 1st one was like being sucker punched in the stomach. It made me want to charge into some bueracrats office somewhere and break a few of his bones. The 2nd letter was associated with the 1st, as you will see.

    They arent very long, so I'll post them for you, with a link...

    (the bolding in the 1st letter is mine)

    Letter 1

    Letter 2

    Folks, something has to be done. Civilized people dont take away people's medicine, so they can let them die. Civilized people dont discard a patient, so that they will die. We hear about these things, and lots of people start thinking about politics. But there is something that I learned a long time ago that I employ sometimes. Take whats going on with someone else, and personalise it.

    If you want to empathize with someone, find a way to imagine in your mind it being YOU.

    Think about YOU having your doctors drop you, and your medicine...the only thing keeping you alive...taken away because you dont have the money. In other words, be told..."Go somewhere and die now".

    Oh, you can get the medicine of course. We'll refill it...for $5,000. :eek:

    This is pure insanity. This has got to stop. We are turning back into savages. Kill or be killed.

    Saddened beyond comprehension,

    Mike

    http://http://www.kentucky.com/595/story/312014.html
     
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  2. Magnetic Poles

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    Yes, the ones who have it don't realize how easy it is to lose it, and how insurance can deny payment if your disease is too expnsive to treat. The idea of anything "socialist" scares people as un-American. I say to not provide healthcare is un-Christian AND un-American. Almost every civilized nation views healthcare as something a society should provide for its citizens, just like highways, police and fire protection. We all don't go out and buy "crime insurance" to pay for police, or if our neighbor doesn't have "fire protection" do we sit by while our neighbors house burns down.

    Rent Sicko. It will make you sick.
     
  3. Revmitchell

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    Sicko?![​IMG]



    That's a good one.:thumbs:
     
  4. Dagwood

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    Have you watched "Sicko" yourself?
     
  5. rbell

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    If government will do such a good job at healthcare...

    why are veteran's hospitals so bad?


    I agree the system needs fixing. But when you have a blown engine in your car, you don't take out the good transmission and put a bad one in.

    Government healthcare will bring about two results, IMO:

    • The "nanny state." They're in charge of your health now...so they can regulate your diet, actions, sleep habits, and all aspects of personal life.
    • Bad service. I got cussed out by someone at the DMV a few weeks ago. I don't want that at the hospital I might use.
     
  6. Magnetic Poles

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    The idea is not for the government to run the hospitals and employ doctors, but rather to insure that all have coverage to pay for their healthcare. The current private system is as broke as the VA system.
     
  7. Salty

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    I dont know about others, but the VA in Syracuse, has given me excllent service over the past 2 decades!:thumbs: Its not perfect, (what is) but I have been very pleased with the service I have recieved.

    Salty

    PS I started a poll about VA health care
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=47138
     
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    Are the taxpayers obligated to pay to keep every person alive as long as it is technically possible? If not, then what is their obligation?
     
  9. Alcott

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    Are you saying that every country since the founding of Christianity which did not have communist health care has been "un-Christian?" And furthermore, are you saying this nation should be run according to Christian principles because it is 'Christian' to forcibly confisctate citizens' possessions to pay for health services?

    What "every civilized nation" does is what makes something American? If so, 'American' as an adjective is meaningless.

    But our homeowner's and auto policies do include theft [required of course, if financed], and usually acts of crime not compensated in litigation or otherwise. But you think that all should be done away with and government should pay for every criminal act that causes damage? Maybe every act unconditionally?

    No, we hose down our own house, especially if downwind from him.
     
  10. StefanM

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    Agreed. Our system is barbaric.
     
  11. Ivon Denosovich

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    I watched Sicko and loved it! Michael Moore is very entertaining.

    That being said, I'm completely opposed to UniHC and here's why:

    1) People like me who have poor health lifestyles (obesity, smoking) would be included in the system thus punishing people who make smart choices by exercising and eating right but are still forced to pay higher premiums to keep irresponsible people like me in the system. I don't deserve to pay low insurance premiums and contrary to many of the sob stories out there, neither do many (though not all) of my fellow fatties. (FWIW, take a look at obesity levels among those suffering from poverty: imagine how those food costs could be spent on medical care.) Neither do people who take responsible care of their health deserve to pay higher or even equal premiums as the rest of us. How is that moral treatment of the health gurus?

    2) Almost all UniHC plans that I've seen include everyone. And I do mean everyone. From Bill Gates to Warren Buffett to all the rich in between, why the friggin' heck should middle class people pay for insurance for the super rich? Explain how that is "compassion"?

    3) It's ironic to hear liberals bemoan our shrinking privacy via the Patriot Act (concerns that I share) and then advocate consolidating all health information into a national database accessible (presumably) by any career politician with an axe to grind.

    4) Americans would be more likely to afford health care if taxes were lower, something Moore consistently opposes.

    5) There's a coming doctor shortage. Less people are chosing the profession. (Google it as there's loads of articles out there.) Granted, the prosects of UniHC may not be the reason all potential candidates are seeking other jobs but the possibility of mandatory assignments coupled with pay caps certainly doesn't help.
     
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